Jaehaerys Sand, on 02 April 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:
Edmure Tully has a reputation for being a bit of a fool in Westeros. But is he really? Let’s review:
· Edmure lost his first battle to Jaime Lannister at the start of the war.
I find it hard to blame Edmure for this. Unlike Jaime, he’s never fought in a battle before, and he didn’t exactly have much time to prepare after his stupid sister kidnapped the son of the most powerful man in the Seven Kingdoms.
Catelyn is NOT an idiot. Sigh. I cannot fathom how you can claim Catelyn is stupid for seizing Tyrion when she tried her very best to NOT be seen, and was afraid she'd end up dead in a ditch after Tyrion recognized her.
· He was with prostitutes when Jaime attempted his escape.
So what? He was supposed to suspect the Lannister’s sent false envoys? That isn’t something most families are willing to do.
This is neither here nor there. He should have been more vigilant about Jaime and NOT SLEPT WITH WHORES while Jaime was his prisoner? He knew the Lannisters were burning the Riverlands, another thing "most families aren't willing to do"; Edmure should have been paying attention to HIS MOST IMPORTANT DAMNED CAPTIVE.
· He messed up Robb’s plan to trap Tywin in the west.
Again, I don’t see how this is Edmure’s fault. Robb should have explained his plans better before heading west, and honestly, I don’t think Robb’s plan was that good anyway. Tywin’s troops were trying to cross a river under heavy archer fire, then fight up an incline. I don’t care what hill the Blackfish found, it wasn’t better land than what Edmure had.
Plus, Edmure didn’t know Storm’s End had fallen. Catelyn only received word of that after Edmure had left, and she makes no mention of sending word to Edmure. Without having to worry about him defending King’s Landing, it makes complete sense to keep him out of the Westerlands and let Robb keep raiding.
Sure, Edmure wasn't totally at fault here - but Robb and Ser Brynden weren't willing to share all of their strategy because Edmure wasn't trustworthy. He was raised to be a LORD. Edmure should have acted like a good Lord. He was a buffoon. Got himself and Riverrun captured. This doesn't denote a good commander nor someone worthy of being in Robb's inner circle of advisors.
· He didn’t want to marry the Frey girl.
I would be mad at having an arranged marriage to someone who was I was probably going to hate too.
Ok, I'll give you this one. Who would've wanted
to marry a Frey girl? I've never seen this held against him, other than the obvious criticism that he should have cared more about his wife's personality and character than what she looked like - a valid criticism.
· He had a child during the Red Wedding.
He was away from the fighting with musicians right outside his door. He was understandably distracted.
· He surrendered Riverrun to Jaime.
Probably his worst mood, but even then, he was trying to save his people’s lives. And Riverrun was going to fall, it was only a matter of time.
Riverrun could've withstood years of siege before running out of food, while the Lannisters froze during the Winter, and their food lines were cut off by the BwB. But Edmure was trying to save the life of his wife, Roslin, and his child, so I won't fault him for this. I'd have tried to save my child too.
I still think Edmure is incompetent, and far more idiotic than Cat. Cat would've made a better Lady of Riverrun than Edmure was as Lord.