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[Ser Sweets]

After I read the books it became very obvious to me that Peter D is really far too attractive to be playing Tyrion. He's perfect for the role in every other way, but I could never see why they didn't 'ugly him up' with makeup.
My mom explained that this was probably a measure on HBO's part to prevent negative depiction of dwarfism to the audience. I was okay with that.

I am desperately hoping that they keep up at least some of the mutilation that is supposed to happen to Tyrion. As Ndrew mentioned, it will catch him up in the series to how he's supposed to be portrayed in the books. And since we've already seen him handsome for two seasons, it wouldn't be a negative depiction of dwarfism but, instead, a depiction of canon events.

In a perfect world, I'd want the noselessness to carry through to the series. But that perfect world was dented when I saw Rorge sporting a nose.

I really hate this 'camera-friendly' argument and not only does the concept trouble me, I think the argument is void. In season 1 we saw Viserys crowned, one of the most spine-tinglingly brutal death scenes on television.
And in season 2's first episode, while we never saw the baby killed, we did later see a gold cloak toting around a dead baby by the foot.

I can understand that prosthetics like noselessness or the alternative cgi could be troublesome for either budget or the comfort of the actors, but I will be p. pissed if the show starts to skimp out on the brutality intended of the world. That's really what bothers me. Not the individual scars and mutilation but the fear that the world might end up looking, well, "camera-friendly". It's not supposed to.

I guess I'd settle for a big scar (with makeup and without discomfort to Peter) and some suitably brutal background scenes with castaway characters who don't have to be cgi'd for every episode to come.

Call me sadistic, but there just needs to be some mutilation. :V

Edited by Pelki, 11 April 2012 - 10:22 AM.

[mpbarnes]

I'm less worried about Tyrion's nose than I am Tyrion being able to fight.  I thought the season 1 moment where he gets knocked out before the battle was cute, but with Blackwater I want to see the Half Man kick some ass!  Tyrion can be wounded in battle, to his legs, his chest, his arms, all kinds of places, but this is TV and Dinklage now gets top billing on GOT, I don't think they're going to add a gnarly scar or take off his nose just for book fidelity.

Book Tyrion is supposed to a mishaped ugly dwarf, made all the more monstruous because of the scar at war.  TV Tyrion isn't that same monster.  The scar doesn't really serve much narrative purpose for TV Tyrion when you think about it.  It's enough that he proves himself in battle and is wounded.

[Qwop22]

I am more interested in seeing how the fighting looks as well. After having just retread ACoK its hard to envision Peter leading a small Calvary out into the battle and mowing people down with a big axe.

[atia-]

I doubt they'll do it.  Part of the reason I believe GRRM did that was to make Tyrion even more ridiculously hideous.  Since he is not even close to hideous in the show and his dwarfism is what has to be made fun of, I don't see any reason to change his nose for the show.  Waste of money, spend it on something else.

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Ndrew of Typhgarian, on 03 April 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

...Or lack of

They don't CGI Dany's eyes (or Tyrion's) which im sure is expenssive as hell, but not nearly as expenssive of constant CGI for Tyrion's scar. And if they don't have his scar they won't need to have the huge Battle of Blackwater. Do you think HBO is that cheap?

Taking his nose in prose is fine, but as in a visual medium it would be distracting to plot advancement.
Blackwater did not happen just to take Tyrions's nose!

[DragonAge93]

This is something I've been wondering for a while. I really hope they give him his gaping nose wound, as it really strikes home the fact how people see him as a monster/creature. It's a somewhat big moment for Tyrion in ACoK, and I feel they should keep it in because of that. Sure, a scar across his face wouldn't be bad, but I'd like to see it stick as closely to the book as possible.

[Darth Pipes]

genegirl, on 10 April 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

It is not about being cheap but being presentable for the public.  I doubt Tyrion's nose will go, I'll put my money on a scar to the side of the face but
it will not be too distracting.

Agreed.  I can see it being hidious at first but then fading to a scar.  Logistically, I'm not sure what noseless Tyrion would look like.

[Targh]

Realistically they only need a reason to get Tyrion out of the way for long enough for his work to be undone in his absence (Tywin returning etc). They can achieve that by putting him out of action with a cracked skull or something similar.

[Chipster92]

Qwop22, on 13 April 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

I am more interested in seeing how the fighting looks as well. After having just retread ACoK its hard to envision Peter leading a small Calvary out into the battle and mowing people down with a big axe.

Hello, longtime lurker, first time poster here

I would just like to say that while the actual sight of Peter leading a battle might seem a little unbelievable, he's no stranger to it. His dwarf character in The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian was shown to be decent with a sword ( I'm 90% sure it was Peter doing his own fighting and not a stunt double, but don't quote me on that).

Here's a clip of some of Peter's scenes from the film: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=hr29-nu_NDk

Funny enough, when I first started reading the books around 2008, This movie had recently come out, and I had imagined in my head Peter Dinklage as Tyrion, but instead of the accent he does in the HBO series, I gave him the same sort of deep voice that he had done for this Narnia dwarf. I suppose that voice fit more with the "uglier" depiction of Tyrion that was in the books. The version of Tyrion that the showrunners came up with works a lot better for a TV series, but whenever I re-read the books, I still tend to imagine the "ugly" Tyrion with a deep voice.

Edited by Chipster92, 15 April 2012 - 06:07 PM.

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I recall seeing somewhere that the reason Dany & Viserys dont have purple eyes is because the contact lenses didnt look good on camera, so i think 'camera friendly' doesnt mean dumbing the show down, rather that they wish to keep things visually appealing.
So, if the prosthetic/scar doesnt look good, they may just cut it... Although i hope they keep it in some form, as it becomes a distinguishing feature for identifying Tyrion following

Spoiler

his escape from KL after the murder of Tywin.

[Ponyo Payne]

Side note: Do you think they will make him a great fighter in the Battle of the Blackwater? I think the most important aspect of the fight is the fact that he goes out and leads. He should have some fighting skill too. I'm guessing that the fighting will be on foot instead of horse.

[Kyle Foster]

i think for the show they will leave him out for most of episode 10 valar morghulis and make it seem like he is dead and then in the last scene in the season finale have his open and him waking up in his bed for the cliffhanger to end season 2! i think that would be perfect

[Eggplant Wizard]

They can't injure his nose like they do in the books, I don't want to watch a mutilated main character stomp around. I don't want to have a hard time looking at him and neither will the majority of the people who watch the show. It's not a big change.

[DirtyRobes]

Peter Jackson once said as great an actor as Sir Ian McKellen is even he could not pull off a character with a 3-foot beard that was not laughable on screen. I believe his words were along the lines of, 'even he could not act through all of that'. I think that same applies to the missing nose. Aside from the possible budget issue of a prosthetic/CGI nose, it would be incredibly difficult for Peter Dinklage to act with for the rest of the series. I'd say it would also be an issue for any real face-to-face interaction for Tyrion and other characters cause it would be so distracting.

My money's on a big scar, id like for it to be hideous at least at first, they can heal it as they go

Edited by DirtyRobes, 23 April 2012 - 12:05 PM.

[TheHedgeWizard]

I definitely expect for them to give Tyrion some sort of large facial scar. Having him lose his nose would be too complicated and unneeded IMO.

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Ndrew of Typhgarian, on 03 April 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

...Or lack of

They don't CGI Dany's eyes (or Tyrion's) which im sure is expenssive as hell, but not nearly as expenssive of constant CGI for Tyrion's scar. And if they don't have his scar they won't need to have the huge Battle of Blackwater. Do you think HBO is that cheap?

How the the seven hells does taking the TV show Tyrion's nose trump Blackwater!!?

[Brienne the Beauty]

*expletivedeleted*, on 16 April 2012 - 12:24 AM, said:

as it becomes a distinguishing feature for identifying Tyrion following

Spoiler

his escape from KL after the murder of Tywin.

Spoiler

Because a Westerosi dwarf doesn't already stand out at all in Essos

[Hear Us Roar]

They did not take Dany's hair, they probably won't take Tyrion's nose. They may give him another scar on the show

[HouseLancaster]

He'll get a nasty head wound for sure, maybe even on the nose. BUT the nose won't be gone. Its too much time and money (EVERY DAY) to spend on an insignificant detail. I never picture him like so in the books anyways.

[CrypticWeirwood]

Hear Us Roar, on 24 April 2012 - 02:03 PM, said:

They did not take Dany's hair, they probably won't take Tyrion's nose. They may give him another scar on the show

Makes you wonder what they will do with Lady Catelyn after she gets really pissed off.