Hm, for the longest time I thought that "Moon" in question was the author Elizabeth Moon. I was soo confused...
Anyway, wanted to chime in re: why Bakker's oeuvre definitely feels misogynistic to me, despite his protestations.
And how polemicising against Abrahamic faiths in a fantasy book is unlikely to reach the very audience he purports to want to convince - i.e. people strongly influenced in their thinking by the same.
And how (extreme) misogyny actually pre-dated said Faiths, also took and takes place where they never held sway and how, at least in case of Islam, it replaced something even worse in that respect.
And how Bakker really doesn't say anything new about terrible, unjust treatment of women that can't be gleaned from Iliad and Odyssey, which also manage to feature more admirable and interesting female characters than his series does.
I am still interested enough in the plot of the series and in discussions of them on this board to continue reading. But that's _despite_ Bakker's oh, so subtle "subversion" message, not because of it.
Didn't read Sedia's "Heart of Iron", though I have to confess that I liked "The Secret History of Moscow", but I just have to barge in a little too
Datepalm, on 14 April 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:
No, sorry, if you're from St Petersburg you're still not actually Asian or non-white,
Well, you can be and not just if your ancestors hail from Middle Asia. There are a lot of ethnicities in Russia proper, which are physically Asian. The so-called "peoples of the North", etc. Let's not forget the different connotations of nationality and ethnicity in Russia. The notorious "fifth point" in all official forms of USSR wasn't called "nationality" for nothing...
despite shoehorning in anachronistic authorial lectures about how Russian is actually so like totally not western and they only think they are because western imperialism made them think that.
Wait, I thought it was good old Peter the Great?!
Galactus, on 14 April 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:
the idea of russians as "asians" isn't actually something she picked out of thin air: It was one of those weird intellectual strains that russians seem so fond of.
Well, it is not controversial that Russia has been influenced by Asian cultures much more than Western Europe (though you could quibble about the Southern one), that The Tatar-Mongol Conquest did change the direction of Russia's development for centuries to come, that Russia later proceeded to incorporate a lot of Asian cultures, while borrowing certain things from them and that a good chunk of it lies in Asia. All of which resulted in Russia being different from (the rest of) Europe.
And it wasn't just self-perception of Russians as "Asians", but Western Europe saw and described them as such too, so... Just read any of the journals of people who travelled to Russia from Europe or US (John Quincey Adams) in 18th - 19th centuries and you will see it.