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Jaqen H'ghar: The Symmetry of Red and White, The Golden Tooth, Death in Harrenhal


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#1 Bran Vras

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:38 AM

The Symmetry of Red and White

Let's begin by the description of Jaqen

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He was the youngest of the three, slender, fine-featured, always smiling. His hair was red on one side and white on the other, all matted and filthy from cage and travel [...]

The name Jaqen H'ghar doesn't sound like any name we have seen in the Free Cities. I don't think we have met any other  Lorathi, though. The language of Lorath seems to be similar to the language of Braavos, since Arya says

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Something about the way he talked reminded her of Syrio; it was the same, yet different too.

And later, Jaqen tells Arya,

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“As well ask what good is life, what good is death? If the day comes when you would find me again, give that coin to any man from Braavos, and say these words to him—valar morghulis.”

So Jaqen is familiar with Braavos. Of course, he is suspected to be a Servant of the God with Many Faces. If so, he has stayed in the house of Black and White. The House of Black and White is set besides two proeminent buildings of Braavos, which are next to each other (Arya, AFfC).

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That is the Temple of the Moonsingers.”
It was one of those that Arya had spied from the lagoon, a mighty mass of snow-white marble topped by a huge silvered dome whose milk glass windows showed all the phases of the moon. A pair of marble maidens flanked its gates, tall as the Sealords, supporting a crescent-shaped lintel.

Beyond it stood another temple, a red stone edifice as stern as any fortress. Atop its great square tower a fire blazed in an iron brazier twenty feet across, whilst smaller fires flanked its brazen doors. “The red priests love their fires,” Yorko told her. “The Lord of Light is their god, red R’hllor.”

So the colours of Jaqen's hair refer to the two great temples of Braavos, who are the immediate neighbours of the House of Black and White. Here are two religious allusions by Jaqen.

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The Red God has his due, sweet girl, and only death may pay for life.


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Three lives were snatched from a god. Three lives must be repaid. The gods are not mocked.”  
  
On first reading, I thought that Jaqen was a devotee of R'hllor. On second reading, I realized that Jaqen mentions the Red God only because the death of Biter, Rorge and Jaqen was to occur by fire. Hence there is not proof that Jaqen is specifically a follower of the Red religion. I believe he fits well with the Braavosi multireligious tradition. That seems confirmed by his oath:

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“By all the gods of sea and air, and even him of fire, I swear it.” He placed a hand in the mouth of the weirwood. “By the seven new gods and the old gods beyond count, I swear it.”


The oath has two parts. First there is a fire component, and then a weirwood component. And we know that weirwood are related to the colour white. All this is compatible with hair colour again. However, we never saw another characer with red and white hair. The various Tyroshis with dyed hair we see have other styles.

Note: About this theory, I should thank Lummel for having , perhaps inadvertently, put me on track about the red/white symmetry, and especially Elaena Targaryen for her thread Howl at the Moon, which contains more speculations, including some personal suggestions on the red/white symmetry.

The Golden Tooth

Here is the description of Jaqen's second appearance.

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His cheeks grew fuller, his eyes closer; his nose hooked, a scar appeared on his right cheek where no scar had been before. And when he shook his head, his long straight hair, half red and half white, dissolved away to reveal a cap of tight black curls.
He grinned, revealing a shiny gold tooth.


Everybody seems to assume this coincides with the Alchemist at the Citadel.

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He was just a man, and his face was just a face. A young man’s face, ordinary, with full cheeks and the shadow of a beard. A scar showed faintly on his right cheek. He had a hooked nose, anda mat of dense black hair that curled tightly around his ears.


I agree, but that is not the end of the story. Here is a description of a character scattered throughout ASoS and ADwD:

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His beard was cut into three prongs and dyed blue, the same color as his eyes and the curly hair that fell to his collar. His pointed mustachios were painted gold. His clothes were all shades of yellow; a foam of Myrish lace the color of butter spilled from his collar and cuffs, his doublet was sewn with brass medallions in the shape of dandelions, and ornamental goldwork crawled up his high leather boots to his thighs. Gloves of soft yellow suede were tucked into a belt of gilded rings, and his fingernails were enameled blue.

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[our man] was fair where [some unnamed knight] was swarthy; lithe where the knight was brawny; graced with flowing locks where the other was balding, yet smooth-skinned where [the knight] was hairy. And her knight dressed plainly while this other made a peacock look drab, though he had thrown a heavy black cloak over his bright yellow finery for this visit. He carried a heavy canvas sack slung over one shoulder.

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His hands were large and strong, and there was something in his hard blue eyes and great curving nose that suggested the fierceness of some splendid bird of prey.

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A golden tooth gleamed in his mouth when he smiled.

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tracing his scars and making him tell her how he’d come by every one.  


No specifically facial scar is ever mentioned. But the man wears a beard. Dyed hair prevent any discrepancy with hair colour.

The face of Daario Naharis coincides with Jaqen's second face. I hardly believe it hasn't been brought up before on these boards.

Now there are a number of problems. I don't necessarily say that Jaqen is Daario, especially since the Faceless men have a funny business with faces. But it's clear to me that all three faces are the same. I can imagine that Jaqen is the Alchemist. I can imagine that Jaqen is Daario. Both possiblities are equally likely, in my view. But it's not easy to imagine that the Alchemist is Daario, mainly because Daario was in Meereen before and after the Oldtown episode.

Here is what Jaqen told Arya when he departed:

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“If you would learn, you must come with me.”
Arya grew hesitant. “Where?”
“Far and away, across the narrow sea.”

So Jaqen did not go to the Citadel immediately apparently.

I would propose that Jaqen made three journeys 1) Jaqen went to Meereen as Daario, 2) then came to Oldtown as the Alchemist, and 3) returned to Meereen as Daario. A study of the timeline is in order. (I am aware it is a bit convoluted and I feel uneasy about it. I am completely open to another suggestion.)

Jaqen leaves Harrenhal near the middle of ACoK, Daario appears in ASoS at Yunkai. So there is no problem with the first journey he can even have spent time in the Free Cities to take orders, recruit Stormcrows etc

Daario is then with Dany until Meereen is conquered. Then Daario is sent for a long mission to the land of the Lamb men, I would suggest that he used that time to make a round trip to Meereen. I am aware that it is a long journey, and that we don't know how much time Daario is supposed to have spent with the Lamb men.

The journey 2) is allowed by the timeline. Indeed in the prologue of AFfC, tales of dragons in Meereen have reached Oldtown. So Daario could have travelled with these rumours. When the Alchemist is in Oldtown, Tywin is still not dead. It's not unreasonable to suppose that Tyrion and the Alchemist left Westeros at the same time. Daario came back to Meereen, after his third journey, he return of Daario happened exactly ninety days before Dany's marriage, and Tyrion arrived shortly before the marriage. But Tyrion has taken the long trip along the Rhoyne on the pole boat. A comparison with Quentyn's trip leads to a similar conclusion (Quentyn left earlier, and arrived earlier than Tyrion but he lingered in Volantis and in Astapor). There is enough time between the Fall of Meereen and the return of Daario to make the round trip to Oldtown. However, we don't know when Daario left in Meereen.

Moreover that raises another question. The mission with the Lamb Men seems to have been accomplished. If Daario was not with the Stormcrows then, he must have insured iron loyalty from his men so that no talk about his absence would transpire. When Daario reports to Dany what happened, he is rather evasive, (I should perhaps say that he is hyperbolic, which is his way of being evasive).

Note that Daario did not return at the same time than his men:

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“He raced ahead of all his men to see her face the sooner, only to be left languishing whilst she ate lamb and figs with some dried-up old woman.”

I find no common point between Jaqen, Daario and the Alchemist in their personnality, their way of speaking etc. They might be different persons entirely, i.e. "no one". The question is whether all three "no ones" are really the same  "no one". :)

For those who fear for Dany's life, they might be reassured by the following dialog, after Daario reports having captured Quentyn's party among the Windblown:

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The Frog has a gift for you.”
“The Frog?” she said, giggling. “And who is he?”
He shrugged. “Some Dornish boy. He squires for the big knight they call Greenguts. I told him he could give his gift to me and I’d deliver it, but he wouldn’t have it.”
“Oh, a clever frog. ‘Give the gift to me.’ ” She threw the other pillow at him. “Would I have ever seen it?”
Daario stroked his gilded mustachio. “Would I steal from my sweet queen? If it were a gift worthy of you, I would have put it into your soft hands myself.”
“As a token of your love?”
“As to that I will not say, but I told him that he could give it to you. You would not make a liar of Daario Naharis?”

Final note: If Daario is an agent put at the head of the Stormcrows, his employer is likely to be the same power that employs the Stormcrows.


Death in Harrenhal

I owe a third theory. Like Arya did with the three deaths,  I am going to cheat a bit on the third one and offer only fragments of various theories. I had several ideas in mind, none of them completely satisfying. (I had a definite intention for a third theory, perhaps that will come during the thread.)

Jaqen killed two men for Arya. First Chiswyck

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“One of the Mountain’s men fell off a wallwalk last night and broke his fool neck,”

Little to note, besides that it recalls the first murder in Winterfell. Then Weese

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Weese was sprawled across the cobbles, his throat a red ruin, eyes gaping sightlessly up at a bank of grey cloud. His ugly spotted dog stood on his chest, lapping at the blood pulsing from his neck, and every so often ripping a mouthful of flesh out of the dead man’s face.
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Arya lifted her gaze from the dead man and his dead dog. Jaqen H’ghar was leaning up against the side of the Wailing Tower. When he saw her looking, he lifted a hand to his face and laid two fingers casually against his cheek.

It seems that Jaqen has warged the dog to kill Weese. Nowhere it is said that skinchanging is part of the repertoire of Faceless Men. Is it possible that Jaqen has sensed that Arya is herself a warg, and that is the reason why he selected her to become a faceless man?

While I am at it: is Arya supposed to be a new recruit or a replacement for Jaqen?

Here is an interesting scene in Harrenhal (ACoK, Arya):

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She found Jaqen soaking in a tub, steam rising around him as a serving girl sluiced hot water over his head. His long hair, red on one side and white on the other, fell down across his shoulders, wet and heavy.

She then whispered the name of the next victim. Jaqen declares loudly (and a serving girl is within hearing range):

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Jaqen H’ghar closed his eyes again, floating languid, half-asleep. “Tell his lordship a man shall attend him at his leisure.”

"His lordship" can only refer to Tywin Lannister. Lord Tywin would not allow anybody in his service to speak of him in this way. So it means that Jaqen  felt safe from Tywin. Note also that Jaqen has the privilege to have a serving girl and the bathhouse for himself. The questions arises of whether Jaqen had any contact with Tywin. I even ask the question: could Jaqen have been employed by Tywin?

Obviously, there is lot to understand about the logic of the change of faces. Here is perhaps a bit dialog useful to understand. The Kindly Man to Arya (ADwD)

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“Mummers change their faces with artifice,” the kindly man was saying, “and sorcerers use glamors, weaving light and shadow and desire to make illusions that trick the eye. These arts you shall learn, but what we do here goes deeper. Wise men can see through artifice, and glamors dissolve before sharp eyes, but the face you are about to don will be as true and solid as that face you were born with.

It seems to me that Jaqen used the mummer trick in Harrenhal.

Jaqen recognized immediately a lord in Robett Glover, when the name is pronounced. Surprising knowledge of northern nobility.

I notice that both Qyburn and Jaqen have been to the following places: The black cells in King's Landing, Harrenhal and the Citadel. They were at Harrenhal at the same time. Did Qyburn learn something about the black cells, and did Jaqen learn something about the Citadel? Did Qyburn hire the Alchemist to retrieve the key at the Citadel? Did Qyburn insist with Cersei on having access to the black cells because Jaqen told him something?

Where did the iron coin that Jaqen gave Arya come from? I assume Jaqen was put in the black cells without anything of his own. He could have found the coin in the black cells perhaps or in Harrenhal. Was he given the coin by somebody in Harrenhal? Qyburn? Tywin?

I have more questions (I have refrained to mention the obvious questions) and ideas. But that will be enough to get the thread started.

Edited by Bran Vras, 11 April 2012 - 07:58 PM.


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 10:49 AM

Veri intersting once again Bran.Well thought out and supported theory.My main point against would be the mission to the lamb men.If Daario didnt accomplish this then who did?Although in saying that we have no proof of their alliance only Daarios word.
If hes under the employ of Tywin then he almost certainly killed Balon correct?Or could there be more then one Faceless Man is Westeros at once?Tywin definately has the power to buy one.But why not use him against Robb Stark?I dont see Qyburn having a big part in this either.As to the iron coin-perhaps its given to the hiree of the FM as proof of purchase if you will

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 01:02 PM

About the red and white symmetry:

Think about Melisandre and Val.

Maybe add Lady Dustin for black. Three witches? Somehow reminds me of the Norns (spelling? one of them is Urd) in nordic mythology.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 01:22 PM

View Postalienarea, on 10 April 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

About the red and white symmetry:

Think about Melisandre and Val.

Maybe add Lady Dustin for black. Three witches? Somehow reminds me of the Norns (spelling? one of them is Urd) in nordic mythology.
I very much like that idea.Mel for fire and Rhllor,Val for ice and the Old Gods,Lady Dustin for death and the great Other?
Bran this goes nicely with the Roose Bolton ally of the Others theory if they plan on becoming King and Queen

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 01:26 PM

Don't have much to add to this, as it's a lot to tackle on so short a notice :P.

About Weese's dog though. I originally thought that warging may have been involved, but it's heavily implied that it was actually basilisk blood which is capable of driving animals mad. Arya even picks up on this and asks if it would work for a dog.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 02:22 PM

protar , I agree about the basilisk blood. ;)

There are a number of other hooked noses in the books , but they're probably not all connected. When I was first reading, I thought there was a slight similarity between the alchemist's description and Taena Merryweather's description of her secret lover ..he even had a facial scar, though more noticeable than in the description of the Alchemist , but the hair was different..besides there was no clue as what possible mission he could have there..there was really no way to weave an association based on what we knew ..and Taena might have been making it all up for Cersei's delectation.. :)

And, really, a lot of this would depend on .. Is the character we know as Alchemist the original appearance of this Faceless Man ? ... It will also make a great difference whether he set out from KL as Jaqen or adopted J's appearance along the way ... Was Jaqen's appearance one he chose from the outset , or one he just adopted on the fly as one of convenience ? We don't yet know.

Actually , either way ,Jaqen H'gar the criminal from the black cells.. is dead and has been dead at least from the time the alchemist took on his persona . I can't see what difference it can make whether he was affliated with either religion , or represented some association between the two.

Edited by bemused, 10 April 2012 - 02:43 PM.


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 02:28 PM

How does the Daario theory fit in with the later books? When Sam arrives in the Citadel, Pate (almost certainly the Alchemist) is introduced to him after having lingered in the background for most of the chapter. As this is the final chapter of FfC, the timeline gets much more problematic. I cannot believe that maester's apprentices are allowed to just disappear for months with no questions asked, so he certainly stayed in Oldtown throughout the book - during which time Daario is Dany's lover.

Unless, of course, the Alchemist isn't impersonating Pate and silenced him so he would not speak of the stolen key. But then who is impersonating Pate?

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 02:39 PM

View Postcuendillar, on 10 April 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

How does the Daario theory fit in with the later books? When Sam arrives in the Citadel, Pate (almost certainly the Alchemist) is introduced to him after having lingered in the background for most of the chapter. As this is the final chapter of FfC, the timeline gets much more problematic. I cannot believe that maester's apprentices are allowed to just disappear for months with no questions asked, so he certainly stayed in Oldtown throughout the book - during which time Daario is Dany's lover.

Unless, of course, the Alchemist isn't impersonating Pate and silenced him so he would not speak of the stolen key. But then who is impersonating Pate?

I agree with this. The Alchemist is almost certainly impersonating Pate, so how can he simultaneously be on the other side of the world?

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 03:15 PM

Great post. When I read the Darrio stuff first, I saw the similarlity to JH, my thought if it wasnt him maybe JH and Darrio are related or something,  However we also dont know which face is realy JH's. The Darrio JH face could be the features of a particular clan/ family or race.

The one thing I struggle with him, is how he ended up in the black cells in the first place. We know Biter and Rorge are physcopaths but they were afraid of JH. Also they were very few men in the black cells from Yoren who emptyed them. How did someone with the skills of JH get himself captured by the Gold cloaks. Did he get himself put there for him own purposes. Remember Varys was playing the part of the undergaoler. Is the there a connection.

I also got the impression that some information could have been exchanged between Qyburn.

The other thing about him is that Arya forced him back on to his true path or mission by forcing him to face the prospect of death. Is this correct?

Edited by jon rr stark, 10 April 2012 - 03:17 PM.


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 03:59 PM

I would propose that rather than Daario, Jaqen, and the Alchemist all being the same person, they could be Faceless Men using the same face. It seems to me that early FM need the actual face to look like someone else (ala Arya), but the full-on FM can simply  change their face at will. Possibly this hooked nosed, gold toothed, flowing locks face is just a standard FM get up they all learn at one point. Possibly Arya could gain this face too, look in the mirror and realize she has become what Jaqen was, springing her to become Arya once again?

What would the purpose of a FM near to Dany be? Maybe he is another one hired by Euron to kill Victarion, or even the same one giving us proff of how Balon actually died.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 04:03 PM

Since Faceless Men "borrow" faces stored in their temple, it's possible that 2 Faceless Men could use the same face at the same time, isn't it?

Though I still think Daario is slightly different from JH/Alchemist. Would he have the time to grow Daario's beard between Harrenhal and Yunkai?

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 03:47 AM

View PostFrey Pie, on 10 April 2012 - 10:49 AM, said:

If hes under the employ of Tywin then he almost certainly killed Balon correct?Or could there be more then one Faceless Man is Westeros at once?Tywin definately has the power to buy one.But why not use him against Robb Stark?I dont see Qyburn having a big part in this either.As to the iron coin-perhaps its given to the hiree of the FM as proof of purchase if you will

I have not considered that "Jaqen" killed Balon. That's surely intriguing. (I have seen the idea that Euron paid for the assassination of Balon with his dragon egg by A Free Shadow, that would contradict that Tywin employed Jaqen.) I suspect that there are big things that need to be uncovered about Tywin.


View Postalienarea, on 10 April 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

Maybe add Lady Dustin for black. Three witches? Somehow reminds me of the Norns (spelling? one of them is Urd) in nordic mythology.

Red, White, Black. More speculation in Howl at the Moon, perhaps.

View Postprotar, on 10 April 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

About Weese's dog though. I originally thought that warging may have been involved, but it's heavily implied that it was actually basilisk blood which is capable of driving animals mad. Arya even picks up on this and asks if it would work for a dog.

Good remark. I prefer that to my warging conjecture. But where did Jaqen find the poison? Qyburn? Or Tywin? (I suddenly fancy that Tywin might have given the Mountain the poison as well.)

View Postcuendillar, on 10 April 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

Unless, of course, the Alchemist isn't impersonating Pate and silenced him so he would not speak of the stolen key. But then who is impersonating Pate?

I have no good idea about Pate. However, the notion that Jaqen is Daario is at least as believable than the notion that Jaqen is the Alchemist.

View Postjon rr stark, on 10 April 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

Great post. When I read the Darrio stuff first, I saw the similarlity to JH, my thought if it wasnt him maybe JH and Darrio are related or something,  However we also dont know which face is realy JH's. The Darrio JH face could be the features of a particular clan/ family or race.

The one thing I struggle with him, is how he ended up in the black cells in the first place. We know Biter and Rorge are physcopaths but they were afraid of JH. Also they were very few men in the black cells from Yoren who emptyed them. How did someone with the skills of JH get himself captured by the Gold cloaks. Did he get himself put there for him own purposes. Remember Varys was playing the part of the undergaoler. Is the there a connection.

"How" is a good question. "For how long" is another. Jaqen seems young. So he must have been arrested during Robert's reign. There might be a catch waiting to be made about a trace of Jaqen's arrest. As you note, it's likely that Varys approved of Jaqen's liberation.

(Little note: Beyond the Wall there is a tribe of cavemen with filed teeth. Was Biter from there?)

Edited by Bran Vras, 11 April 2012 - 03:47 AM.


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:13 AM

View PostBran Vras, on 11 April 2012 - 03:47 AM, said:

I have not considered that "Jaqen" killed Balon. That's surely intriguing. (I have seen the idea that Euron paid for the assassination of Balon with his dragon egg by A Free Shadow, that would contradict that Tywin employed Jaqen.) I suspect that there are big things that need to be uncovered about Tywin.




Red, White, Black. More speculation in Howl at the Moon, perhaps.



Good remark. I prefer that to my warging conjecture. But where did Jaqen find the poison? Qyburn? Or Tywin? (I suddenly fancy that Tywin might have given the Mountain the poison as well.)



I have no good idea about Pate. However, the notion that Jaqen is Daario is at least as believable than the notion that Jaqen is the Alchemist.



"How" is a good question. "For how long" is another. Jaqen seems young. So he must have been arrested during Robert's reign. There might be a catch waiting to be made about a trace of Jaqen's arrest. As you note, it's likely that Varys approved of Jaqen's liberation.

(Little note: Beyond the Wall there is a tribe of cavemen with filed teeth. Was Biter from there?)

Biter and Rorge seem like the weirdest characters of this series to me. Is Biter some kinda monster?From Briennes fight description it seems he is.

You may be onto something with Tywin however. There is the speculation of did he have a hand (pun intended) in Joffreys death. Also perhaps Jaqens in jail for something to do with Jon Arryns death? Both Lysa and Varys have pretty much admitted to killing him but maybe not....

I agree from your evidence that it is as likely that Jaqen is Daario due to the quote you gave of him travelling east over the narrow sea. What need does he have to lie to Arya?

But theres no way Tywin would have been in with poisoning Gregor. Wheres the motive?

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:22 AM

View PostClueless Northman, on 10 April 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

Since Faceless Men "borrow" faces stored in their temple, it's possible that 2 Faceless Men could use the same face at the same time, isn't it?

Though I still think Daario is slightly different from JH/Alchemist. Would he have the time to grow Daario's beard between Harrenhal and Yunkai?
Yes indeed. The apparence of these features could just be an indication of FM involvement. This leads to the question if we assume JH is an FM, what is their gameplan or do their operatives have free range?

Edited by jon rr stark, 11 April 2012 - 04:24 AM.


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:43 AM

I think Daario's appearance is decidedly different..how many people could be described as having full cheeks and a hooked nose , and still look nothing alike ? How many people might have a gold tooth ( once it's established that anyone can have one , at that stage in Westeros' history ) ? If it's a fashion in one of the free cities , there could be quite a lot.... How many people have curly hair ?... Anyone with long hair might be said to have flowing locks... Could Daario be somebody's agent , or have some unrevealed agenda of his own ? Sure. But he could just be exactly as presented and simply serve as an important phase in Dany's emotional growth.

About the coin ... Jaqen / the Alchemist would likely only have it if he became Jaqen after " Real Jaqen " was imprisoned ,which would have to mean he either broke into the black cells to become J. , or he became J.  somewhere along the way to Harrenhall..( This raises the whole is it J=A , or is it S=J=A question, which protar and I have just been..ahem.. discussing on the ASoIaF forum..so let's leave that part of it aside.. it can get very lengthy ;) )... However , I think it's reasonable to assume anyone being thrown into the black cells would be pretty thoroughly searched, in case of hidden knives, lock picks, etc. Even a strange looking coin would probably be confiscated by the gaoler or turnkey , in case it was worth anything..

I suspect the coins are carried by the FM to guarantee them a way home , if they wind up in a tight spot and have no access to funds . I don't imagine they are used unless absolutely necessary, otherwise, a large number of Braavosi captains and crews might eventually be exempt from FM contracts . They seem ,to me, to be a fail-safe. If the coins are a fail-safe , an FM might only be carrying one at a time (use only in emergency )...So , I think it's very possible Jaqen has given Arya his free pass.This would make it less likely that he returned to Braavos before going to Oldtown.

That he had the time to go to Braavos was always questionable depending on how complicated his OT mission is..and why, exactly, he hears sand whispering on glass. Maybe he did..we have to wait to see... If time was already a factor , and he's just given away his means of quick transportation, he has quite a hike in front of him .
If Arya had gone with him he may have taken her to Braavos first, but their conversation doesn't necessarily make that plain.He tells her if she wants to learn she must come with him..far and away etc. ..he doesn't say outright that's where he's going immediately..just that thats where she must go if she wants to learn .if she comes with him , he'll take her there ..should "eventually"  be understood at the end ? Their conversation could be taken either way.

The Kindly Man's behaviour keeps up the ambiguity. He tells Arya he knows no one by the name Jaqen H'Ghar. Is he being ultra secretive , keeping strict adherence to FM being "no one " ?.. It seems that Jaqen / the Alchemist would have given the KM a heads-up about Arya, if he went to Braavos first... Even considering possible rules of secrecy ( if they apply ) He's told her, "If you would find me again.." that's very unambiguous...So , if he'd gone to Braavos , you might expect the KM to say something along the lines of  , Jaqen H'Ghar is dead ( she knows that )..and ,  A friend said you might come, or some such thing.. That he continues to deny he knows the name repeatedly may strengthen the case for Jaqen being a persona of convenience , and that the Hof B&W didn't know he'd taken it.. It doesn't mean much that they know when she's lying about her name, at first..she's pretty transparent to experts at the Lying Game.

The Kindly Man and the acolyte seem puzzled that she even has the coin. If they had been forewarned of her coming, they would have already understood that she had nowhere else to go.

I've seen a common opinion ( just around, generally ) that the FM wanted to recruit Arya because they knew/ sensed she was a powerful warg. I don't really think any of them have a clue about that.  Arya hasn't told anyone about Nymeria. Not even Gendry. ( The hound knew she had a wolf, but he never happens to mention it in front of others.)... Even if S=J=A , Syrio may not have known. Neither the Starks nor the Lannisters would be broadcasting that episode... Arya didn't mention it to Jaqen ,and he made no allusions to it.... Even though people knew Robb had a wolf , the stories told about him were obviously wildly exaggerated ( especially among the Lannister forces ), so whatever rational people might have believed about him ( and if they hadn't met him , they may have only thought of GW as a pet ) , they probably wouldn't have assumed the same would be true of the younger Stark children. Unless they were told. The only other Stark child of whom there's public knowledge is Sansa. No wolf...so I doubt the whole "they know she's a warg" scenario.

The KM has no idea about the cat.

Jaqen in Harrenhall ? .."His lordship" just seems like cover for Arya in front of the serving girl..How many people would have sent a message important enough that it has to be whispered in front of a servant ?..Robbett Glover...Jaqen's been serving with Glover's adversaries for weeks , I'm quite sure he'd have heard the names of most of Robb's commanders... ( I think that's far more understandable than that he would have guessed Arya's identity because of one word, "Winterfell!" shouted in the midst of a noisy battle, while he was locked up in a barn that may have already been burning..He's good , but that good ? ) When Jaqen left KL they were still only looking for Arya inside the city.. and he may never have heard of her.

Jaqen's oath .. obviously ,he's trying to cover all the gods ( and although he doesn't mention the god of the FM , he sees his god as a sort of uber-god anyway ) . There even seems a sort of reluctance about R'Hllor "even him of fire "..as if he'd really rather not include him.( considering recent history ?) I think the hand in the mouth of the weirwood is to particularly honour the fact that he's swearing in a godswood.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 05:16 AM

I could only find three characters with a golden tooth in the story: Jaqen, Daario and Garin the orphan (leaving aside the famous stronghold in the Westerlands). So, golden teeth are rare. (And hooked nose are not common. It's a facial characteristic of the Kettlebacks.)

Here is Arya about her teeth when she gets the face change.

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“To other eyes, your nose and jaw are broken,” said the waif. “One side of your face is caved in where your cheekbone shattered, and half your teeth are missing.”
She probed around inside her mouth with her tongue, but found no holes or broken teeth. Sorcery, she thought. I have a new face. An ugly, broken face.

So the golden tooth is an attribute of the face (in retrospect, it seems to me that GRRM has put this detail as a comment on the golden tooth.)

Much time has elapsed between Harrenhal and Yunkai. Largely enough for a beard to grow. (After all Barristan's beard has grown when he went from King's Landing to Qarth.)

Interestingly Jaqen says:

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“Speak the name, and death will come. On the morrow, at the turn of the moon, a year from this day, it will come. A man does not fly like a bird, but one foot moves and then another and one day a man is there, and a king dies.”

That tells us that we have to be careful about means of travel. Jaqen has only natural ones. The final words might be a clue that Jaqen killed Balon, or, if one really wants to be speculative, that Jaqen has granted the death of three kings to someone (to Melisandre perhaps? Just an idea.).

Edited by Bran Vras, 11 April 2012 - 07:48 PM.


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 05:41 AM

And Mord the gaoler but he shouldnt count so much as i dont really see him being a FM or anyone other then Mord.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:36 AM

View PostBran Vras, on 11 April 2012 - 05:16 AM, said:

IInterestingly Jaqen says:



That tells us that we have to be careful about means of travel. Jaqen has only natural ones. The final words might be a clue that Jaqen killed Balon, or, if one really want to be speculative, that Jaqen has granted the death of three kings to someone (to Melisandre perhaps? Just an idea.).

Surely that just means that if Arya selectd a victim 20,000 miles away Jaquen still had to get there he couldnt just magically kill at range?

EDIT me quoting your quote doesnt work.  I'm referring to "A man doesn't fly"

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 10:06 AM

View PostCapon Breath, on 11 April 2012 - 06:36 AM, said:

Surely that just means that if Arya selectd a victim 20,000 miles away Jaquen still had to get there he couldnt just magically kill at range?

EDIT me quoting your quote doesnt work.  I'm referring to "A man doesn't fly"
It means that whoever wherever the person was he is as good as dead. By saying the word the the dead will be done, you cannot escape an FM.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:06 PM

View Postjon rr stark, on 11 April 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

It means that whoever wherever the person was he is as good as dead. By saying the word the the dead will be done, you cannot escape an FM.

It means that, but it also clearly means that if the person is not in the proximity of a faceless man then it will take the time required for the FM to get there for it to happen.