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[Envie]

This is one of the plot changes I'm ok with so far. I think they may be doing this for brevity in Bronn's story line because although he's an important side character in Tyrion's story arc, he isn't a lead character that would warrant a lot of extra scenes to play out his own rise to lordship with the limited screen time they have to work with this season. I think this promotion to captain of the watch will help television viewers see how quickly Bronn takes his own place in the game since later on when he breaks away from Tyrion with his own agenda, viewers will have already identified with his power play early on.

[Ser Dermett Corbray]

Lord of Brewtown, on 12 April 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

I'm fine with how they merged Bywater into Bronn for the show.  Gives Bronn more to do/reason to be on screen, and is a sensible cut.  For me that doesn't affect much.  Also fine with how they seem to be merging Davos's son into several characters.  What I don't like is how they seem to be getting rid of Shireen, and possibly Jojen & Meera.  That's not necessary.  Even if you don't show Shireen, just mention her.  That changes the story too much for me.  

Yeah but Bronn would have had plenty to do as Tyrion's bodyguard. Following him around, being asked to hire the Kettleblacks to get some of Tyrion's men close to Cersei etc. Jumping a nobody (even if it's Bronn and he's awesome) to Commander of the city watch when there were veterans amongst the ranks (such as Ironhand) doesn't make much sense. Adding a few minor characters, no matter how short their stay, would have shown that Tyrion was trying to build something. Instead it's just him and Bronn ruling the roost. Meh.

Oh and I reckon Shireen will come into it eventually. Perhaps when Davos starts taking reading lessons.

[Iron Captain]

Lord Ashford, on 12 April 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

Oh and I reckon Shireen will come into it eventually. Perhaps when Davos starts taking reading lessons.

Didn't Mel tell Stannis that his wife had given him no children (vs sons), only stillborns?  Or did she say no sons, when I watched it it seemed to me that they completely eliminated the chance of having shireen.

[TeamDanyArya]

I'm fine with Bronn being in charge of the Goldcloaks. I can see it as being plausible because Tyrion needs someone in charge that he can trust, or trust about as much as he can. Bronn's honest which I think he respects. Plus, it sets up for more pissing contests between him, Cersei, and Joffery. And Bronn's a badass.

I'm okay with Shireen being eliminated. Melisandre made it clear that Selyse had not given Stannis any living children of either gender. Shireen is so very, very minor in the book. For the show, she'd serve no purpose whatsoever. Stannis has no sons which is true to the book.

[Prince of Dragonstone]

Makes more sense, storywise, to streamline characters like Bronn/Bywater because it's only 10 episodes and with a series this epic and chock-full of characters, every last minute of airtime counts. I'm also totally fine with getting rid of superfluous like Shireen because they aren't even that important to the story in the books so why add them to the TV series? Although, if they don't have Shireen then they probably won't have Edric Storm either which kind of sucks. I think Gendry is about all the "important Robert bastards" that the show will have unfortunately. Hopefully I'm proven wrong and they keep Edric.

[Fredwin]

This was one of the really good choices they made. The audience is already familiar with Bronn and what his character of capable of. So his new role is already set up with no explanation. Bronn can now be used in almost all the King's Landing scenes as an established presence. Whether it's keeping Joff in check, preparing the city defenses, or escorting Tyrion, etc.

[Fredwin]

TeamDanyArya, on 12 April 2012 - 10:05 PM, said:

I'm okay with Shireen being eliminated. Melisandre made it clear that Selyse had not given Stannis any living children of either gender. Shireen is so very, very minor in the book. For the show, she'd serve no purpose whatsoever. Stannis has no sons which is true to the book.

Did she? I thought she said I'll give you a son. Your wife has given you only stillborns. She doesn't say a child, she says a son right? So It's still plausible he has a daughter?

[Holmes]

Problem:  Wasn't Slynt on the small council?  Ostensibly Bronn could take that seat, and that shit just ain't right (inasmuch as we all love the guy).

[Fredwin]

Holmes, on 13 April 2012 - 12:48 AM, said:

Problem:  Wasn't Slynt on the small council?  Ostensibly Bronn could take that seat, and that shit just ain't right (inasmuch as we all love the guy).

Small council doesn't always meet in full. I recall meetings when Slynt wasn't there. Bronn could always stand at Tyrions side as usual. It would be weird though.

[Grey Stark]

Holmes, on 13 April 2012 - 12:48 AM, said:

Problem:  Wasn't Slynt on the small council?  Ostensibly Bronn could take that seat, and that shit just ain't right (inasmuch as we all love the guy).

Slynt wasn't on the small council in his position as Lord Commander of the City Watch, it was because of the service he gave Cersei in the succession issue.
As the small council position is not tied to the City Watch position there is no reason to assume his successor in the Watch would also succeed to the small council.

[Terminated]

I wonder whether, now that Bywater and Bronn merged, if that character will follow Bronn or Bywater's story.
As much as I like Bronn, my bet is on #2, meaning Bronn dies soon.  That way they don' t have to worry about squeezing the whole Stokeworth background in the show, cast Lolly, etc...  Which is fun but so far not very vital to the main plot(s).

[Mr. E]

Terminated, on 13 April 2012 - 06:16 AM, said:

I wonder whether, now that Bywater and Bronn merged, if that character will follow Bronn or Bywater's story.
As much as I like Bronn, my bet is on #2, meaning Bronn dies soon.  That way they don' t have to worry about squeezing the whole Stokeworth background in the show, cast Lolly, etc...  Which is fun but so far not very vital to the main plot(s).

I'd never considered this before, but it's an interesting possibility.

That being said, if Bronn dies I might weep giant man-tears.

[Greywolf2375]

Terminated, on 13 April 2012 - 06:16 AM, said:

I wonder whether, now that Bywater and Bronn merged, if that character will follow Bronn or Bywater's story.
As much as I like Bronn, my bet is on #2, meaning Bronn dies soon.  That way they don' t have to worry about squeezing the whole Stokeworth background in the show, cast Lolly, etc...  Which is fun but so far not very vital to the main plot(s).

I don't think he will die - i think this is the jump in legitimacy that he got in the books via the Stokeworth marriage.  This allows the step up so that, if things continue close-ish to the books, he is still in a relatively able position to get further ahead without having to introduce additional characters.  We may hear about the outcome of the fiasco at the docks, but probably not see lollys, Tanda, etc.

[Fredwin]

I was just going to post that I didn't think he would die, but when Cersei regains control, there is no way she is going to keep him as the watch commander.

[Leuf]

I'd be shocked if Bronn doesn't die in the Blackwater.  He has no real purpose after this season.

While Mel does say "no living sons, only stillborns, only death" and you could parse that to not rule out a daughter, to say that and then never see his daughter this season and then *poof* there she is later would be BS.

[Fredwin]

Leuf, on 13 April 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

I'd be shocked if Bronn doesn't die in the Blackwater.  He has no real purpose after this season.

While Mel does say "no living sons, only stillborns, only death" and you could parse that to not rule out a daughter, to say that and then never see his daughter this season and then *poof* there she is later would be BS.

The scene itself was fairly BS though. Stannis, newly introduced, never mentions he wants a son or anything to that effect. There wasn't enough of an introduction or backstory to really have this scene make a whole lot of sense.

So, yeah, I think it will be contradictory and just well.. odd, if a daughter should pop up now. I still think we might see it happen though.

[Tewks44]

I don't even care at this point.  Season 1 was praised for following the book so closely and now the produces have pissed all over these compliments.  I'm not saying I condone it, but I'm over it in all honesty.  I'm just hoping season 2 won't turn into a total disaster at this point.

[The Greenseer]

Yeah it rubbed me wrong as well. However I do understand why limiting the characters will help the non book
viewers. I suppose it demonstrates the cronyism, and lack of Bronn's loyalty in one quick scene, without distorting any important outcomes.

[TC_Chaos]

Tewks44, on 13 April 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

I don't even care at this point.  Season 1 was praised for following the book so closely and now the produces have pissed all over these compliments.  I'm not saying I condone it, but I'm over it in all honesty.  I'm just hoping season 2 won't turn into a total disaster at this point.

This season is going all bat-shit with the plot for book fans. Everything is changed. Bronn being Commander's Watch. Jon going Sherlock Holmes on Craster. Rakkharo getting axed. No Riverrun. No Jojen and Merren Reeds.

I want to say that as a fan of the book, the changes are making this show a whole new adaption to the books. As season 1 was very faithful to the plot, this season is just getting weird. I know they're gonna do some more weird shit to Dany's plot upcoming episodes too because people thought that her arc is boring. Well, I've been telling one of my friends that the show is always going to the show and not the book. I always liked the books way more and no show can do them justice.

[The Bastard of Bolton]

Leuf, on 13 April 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

I'd be shocked if Bronn doesn't die in the Blackwater.  He has no real purpose after this season.

I hope you get shocked in that case.
He is an awesome character and Martin isn't even done with him yet for all we know.