You talking about Jon being conceived before Ned met Catelyn is bullshit. It's like I said, you read too deeply into stuff and look for meanings where there aren't any. I never said I knew who the mother was or when Jon was conceived, i just said I know Ned is the father. You saying there is no proof for Ned being the father shows that you take these forums evidence more serioursly than actual book evidence.
In A Dance of Dragons GRRM spells out once again that Ned is Jon's dad, but alll noooo, that character doesn't know all the facts in your mind.
I've read all 5 books 3 times from start to finish, I think Ned is the dad. Sorry if this makes you think I'm stupid or whatever, I've read all the facts several times and believe Ned is the father.
I haven't even gone into the tv series which gives more evidence to Ned being the dad.
And never once did you read them carefully then it seems. You used the example in ADWD of Ned fathing the child in the fingers as part of the case that Ned is the father. But if you read the books as carefully as you claim you would know that when Catelyn arrived with Robb from Riverrun, Ned was waiting there with a baby Jon who was young enough that it was believable that he was fathered after Ned married Catelyn. The story Ned told Catelyn was that he fathered the child after he married her and dishonored her through that. Which means that the story you used for proof that Ned is Jon's father (that you say hammers home the point in ADWD) doesn't make sense with the timeline of how young Jon was when Catelyn first saw him OR Ned's story about having fathered Jon after he wed Catelyn. If the story of in ADWD were true, Jon would have been over a year old when Catelyn showed up with Robb is swaddling clothes...NO ONE would have thought that Jon was born around the same time as Robb NOR that Ned had broken his vows to Catelyn since Jon would have obviously been conceived before the marriage if he was conceived before the war officially started.
Edited by atpthornton, 12 April 2012 - 05:59 PM.