Dornish Bannerman Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 I don't really understand the prologue in this book. Is it Jaqen who kills Pate in the end? And why does Sphinx say that his name is Pate in the end?I am really slow on these sort of things, so please bear with me. . .Just a short summary of the prologue would help a lot.Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelle Snow Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 From what you've said here it sounds like you've finished Feast. So this explanation is spoiler heavy for those who haven't finished.Yes, it's figured that the alchemist in the prologue is Jaqen. The description exactly fits the description of what his face looked like when he left Arya. So Jaqen kills Pate in the prologue. Then assumes Pate's face and identity and that's the Pate who Sam meets at the end. Jaqen kills Pate.Jaqen becomes Pate and meets Sam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornish Bannerman Posted April 11, 2012 Author Share Posted April 11, 2012 Ok, thanks. So Pate was also called Alleras and Sphinx?I changed the title btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hooded Man Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 No, you're messing things up, It was not the Sphinx who spoke, it was "Pate" introducing himself there... Read again and you'll see. When Sam enters the room, he was already there, but only speaks in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crown Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Frankly, I didn't discover this myself aswell. Didn't notice that Jaqen was the Alchemist and I didn't notice that Pate died in the prologue but appeared again in Sam's chapter. Pathetic me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 By the way now that that you've finished Feast, go ahead and look up theories regarding Alleras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hooded Man Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 I hadn't figured that about Jaquen as well... Think the discription of the Alchemist was not enough for most of readers to notice the resemblance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhaleesiDany Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 I skipped the prologue. It was too boring. Might be I'll go back and read it when I'm done, but fantasy prologues are usually boring and pointless, and even though so far in these books they have not been, I started to read this three times before I just skipped it and went into the main story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roboginger Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 I knew the fact that pate was in the end had to have some kinda of importance!, having only read about him for a handful of pages 850 pages ago I forgot most of the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloc Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 I too assume final chapter pate is probably Jaqen, or much rather noone. Syrio was also bravoosi, was he not? I'm wondering if he too may not have been Syrio at all, and much rather noone. In that case, Aryas deliverance to the god of many faces has been a long time coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geckog5 Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Wow, i just finished the book and completely missed that! Thanks for pointing that out, that is so cool! GRRM is amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hooded Man Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 One thing is for sure, he is Jaqen, I've read some parts of the epilogue again, and Jaqen's apparition in aCoK, and the discription really matches, mainly because of his scar on the right cheek. Martin's words are not the same in both passages, but they are very alike, so the readers can figure it out. But who is Jaqen we can't know for sure. Though I don't believe he is Syrio, they might have some connection in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faceless Frog Eater Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Pate has to be Jaqen or at least we are supposed to think he is .Why else would GRRM end the book with Pate the pig boy? Also I've been wondering what jaqen was doing in King's landing to begin with and how he wound up in the black cells. Any theories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aevys Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 let me pose a second question here then... why would jaqen want the key that pate gave him? this part still confuses me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelle Snow Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 No one knows that yet. That's one of the mysteries that GRRM hasn't answered yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bib Fortuna Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Why does the Pate at the end have to be Jaqen taking Prologue!Pate's identity? There are several Pates in the series: Tommen has a whipping boy named Pate, the BWB finds Arya in a cornfield owned by an old farmer named Pate, and there are one or two others. So why can't Epilogue!Pate be a completely different Pate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Snowcat Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 let me pose a second question here then... why would jaqen want the key that pate gave him? this part still confuses me.I don't have AFfC anymore (gave it back to the library & have yet to buy my own copy) but if memory serves me, Pate stole the key from the feeble/forgetful Archmaester Walgrave to give to the Alchemist/Jaqen. I'm guessing this key must open something that contains something that Jaqen wants.The question for me is, who is Jaqen working for & what is that person plotting?I have to say, I didn't pick up the Alchemist's true identity until it was pointed out in the Forum. I've taken to keeping short chapter notes about the things being revealed that might be of future relevance for just this reason.I like the idea that Jaqen was Syrio Forel. That makes me think that someone is watching out for Arya since Syrio helped her learn to 'dance' & Jaqen was an instrument of her revenge and a key to open Braavo to her.As for Faceless Men. I guess they have an original identity that never changes but they can assume the identity of anyone but unfortunately must kill them to do so. Certainly makes them ultimate assassins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bib Fortuna Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Unfortunately, Syrio can't be Jaqen. Read Jaime's first AFFC chapter, when he is speaking to Longwaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
your grace Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Frankly, I didn't discover this myself aswell. Didn't notice that Jaqen was the Alchemist and I didn't notice that Pate died in the prologue but appeared again in Sam's chapter. Pathetic me.to be fair i dont recall pate beyond all doubt dying...didnt it just say the ground rushed up to meet him?dwdwe dont know how the coin works until very late in dwd right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Snowcat Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Unfortunately, Syrio can't be Jaqen. Read Jaime's first AFFC chapter, when he is speaking to Longwaters.I don't have AFfC anymore, could you summarize Jaime's 1st AFfC chapter?I thought Syrio still being alive would be too good too be true. But his spirit will always live on in the knowledge that he imparted to Arya.I guess I always feel that unless a POV character sees someone die, they may not be dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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