69 replies to this topic

[Corm]

What do you think will be the biggest red herrings of the series? Things that have been alluded to that actually have no significance.

I think Tyrek is going to have no importance whatsoever.

[salt]

Corm, on 12 April 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

I think Tyrek is going to have no importance whatsoever.

Well, yeah.  I wouldn't even consider than a red herring, just Lannister history.

edit: Wait, I'm thinking about the uncle with a similar name.  The kid, if he does indeed never show up again, could indeed be considered a red herring.

Edited by salt, 12 April 2012 - 04:07 PM.

[A Free Shadow]

Dragon horn? Can not imagine how it works. All kinds of horns, honestly.

[Ice Turtle]

I don't know about people but:

The Sea Bitch - Theon's ship
Ice
Longclaw

[DannySpud]

Dany, she's had so much build up that it's too obvious she'll win so she won't.

[Apple Martini]

DannySpud, on 12 April 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

Dany, she's had so much build up that it's too obvious she'll win so she won't.

This is also my big one.

[Awesome Oberyn Martell]

A Free Shadow, on 12 April 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

Dragon horn? Can not imagine how it works. All kinds of horns, honestly.

This. I think the dragon horn will be a massive failure. I also don't think Daenerys will win the Iron Throne though she'll be important. If Jon is indeed dead then a large part of the story so far has been a red herring.

[Ivy Snow]

Danny as the saviour for me is a huge red herring. It's just rubbed on our faces so much that it feels like it's a lie.

[salt]

Agreed on Dany, at least as her status as Azor Ahai goes.  The "dragons from stone" thing is just too literal and obvious for GRRM.

[Buckwheat]

Aegon has a big shiny "I am a fake" written all over his head. Also all kinds of horns, and obviously Stanly=AAR.

[Tumnas the Torpid]

Buckwheat, on 12 April 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

Aegon has a big shiny "I am a fake" written all over his head. Also all kinds of horns, and obviously Stanly=AAR.

What if the "mummer's dragon" is the red herring, and Aegon is for true?

Personally, I'm starting to worry that the G.D. Others are the G.D. red herring.

[Buckwheat]

Tumnas the Torpid, on 12 April 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

What if the "mummer's dragon" is the red herring, and Aegon is for true?

Personally, I'm starting to worry that the G.D. Others are the G.D. red herring.

Sure, there is that possibility, but I believe not. Mummer's Dragon was introduced already in the second book of the series, and Aegon was a surprise in the fifth with no build up. That is mostly why I believe he is fake.

[Stannis is the Mannis]

I'm hoping Jon Snow is a red herring. Everyone assumes he has a large role to play in the story, I think that's yet to be seen. As of yet, it could be entirely true that he was only used as a device to show the Wall, which we now have other characters in place to do if necessary.

Of course, I don't think this will actually end up being even remotely true. I assume much like others that he isn't going to stay dead. But I really think he should. He's betrayed his responsibilities as Lord Commander and has made boneheaded mistakes very similar to Ned. I really think it would be more powerful and worthwhile to have him actually be dead even though I do like the character. Because if he comes back it's just another "gotcha" type moment by GRRM (even though we all see it coming) and a cheesy device to allow him to desert the Nights Watch. Maybe the death is important in him being AA, I don't know, but I think it'd be brilliant of GRRM if he actually stayed dead.

[Dacie]

Tumnas the Torpid, on 12 April 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

Personally, I'm starting to worry that the G.D. Others are the G.D. red herring.

See, I kinda think the opposite. I think that all the political maneuvering, alliances, backstabbing over the Iron Throne might be a red herring for the true conflict: the invasion of the Others. Who knows, though? If they are the major plot point they've sure not done very much. I just feel like GRRM started the series with the Others, it's likely to end that way too.

And I throw my hat in the ring with the group who thinks Dany won't be the savior/victor.

[chris999]

I think that R+L+J will be a massive red herring.

If Jon isnt dead for good, I think he is much more likely to identify himself with the Starks and the Old Gods instead of the Targs.

Edited by chris999, 12 April 2012 - 04:40 PM.

[Ivy Snow]

chris999, on 12 April 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

I think that R+L+J will be a massive red herring.

If Jon isnt dead for good, I think he is much more likely to identify himself with the Starks and the Old Gods instead of the Targs.

I think the R+L=J theory is just known for people here in the forums but not known by most readers.

[chris999]

Ivy Snow, on 12 April 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

I think the R+L=J theory is just known for people here in the forums but not known by most readers.

IDK about that. I found it pretty obvious during my first read.

[Apple Martini]

chris999, on 12 April 2012 - 04:49 PM, said:

IDK about that. I found it pretty obvious during my first read.

And most people I know who read the books didn't figure it out until I suggested it. That's why anecdotal evidence isn't very useful.

GiveMeSomeSnow, on 12 April 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

See, I kinda think the opposite. I think that all the political maneuvering, alliances, backstabbing over the Iron Throne might be a red herring for the true conflict: the invasion of the Others. Who knows, though? If they are the major plot point they've sure not done very much. I just feel like GRRM started the series with the Others, it's likely to end that way too.

I agree with this.

I also think that the red herrings are the things that are explicitly spat out ("Dany is Azor Ahai!" "Aegon is real!"). We have plenty of people going on about how important the game of thrones is, but in the end the Iron Throne won't amount to anything. Things like R+L=J, which has clues strewn around but has yet to be solidly confirmed, wouldn't fit into that category.

Edited by Apple Martini, 12 April 2012 - 04:58 PM.

[BogginsTheDog]

I have a theory that The Others won't actually feature in the series.

[Corm]

Unless there's some huge upset I can't see Dany being a red herring. She has a role to play certainly, maybe not as AA or the saviour but I am almost positive she will prove to be a part of everything that goes down in the next 2 books. Hints towards her being AA or the saviour could be red herrings though.