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[Gloria]

We all know they can't possibly include all the intrigue, backstory and subplots from the books in the TV show.  What "major' (read:  often discussed here) plots do folks think are going to be dropped or changed?  Personally I think they'll focus more on the war-of-the-kings aspects and much less on the mystical\historical aspects.  I think it's just easier and more accessible that way.

I'm wondering if they will be dropping or changing the Bran\3-eyed-crow subplot.  (I have only watched each episode once, so if I'm misremembering something, I hope someone will correct me...) but so far there hasn't been a lot of 3-eyed-crow info.  What do we lose if they cut that out all togther?  The Reeds haven't shown up yet, and if they are added later, their part could be very different.  No Bloodraven?  No Bran-as-seer?  What if he just ends up fleeing with Osha and is picked up by Davos later?

I'm also wondering about the R+L=J thing.  I think R has maybe been mentioned only in passing, and L only the once.  Without Ned's inner voice, there's not a lot to go on.  No ToJ?  What do we lose there, if anything?  What if Jon just ends up being another of the Stark kids?  (Speaking of which, Rickon hasn't been seen in what seems like forever).

I think they'll keep most of Arya's plots; hers are less connected to anything but also more accessible \ understandable to your average non-book person.

I'm on the fence about Ramsay \ Theon.  Not sure what they'll keep and what they'll toss, but I think they'll keep at least part of it.  Maybe Ramsay himself is replaced by Roose, just to keep the number of characters to a minimum.  I don't have a real problem with that, necessarily.

It'd be nice to see the Manderly Thing left in, but who knows?

[The Monkey]

Aside from a few mentions of Riverrun, the Tulles (except for Catelyn of course) have been completely removed. The Greatjon mentions in ep8 that defeating Jaime will bring the River lords to their side, but other than that, their role as the North's allies is pretty much ignored. I can see how they can write around it up until Edmure's marriage at the Twins, when it's pretty much impossible to ignore the Tully's role.

[Leuf]

The three eyed crow was really all they showed of Bran's dreams, so that arc is pretty well set up.  I think Osha will still with Bran though, whether or not the Reeds show up.

I think portions of the Dornish and Ironborn arcs will get the ax.  I hope Dany never sets foot in Meereen.

[atia-]

I'm really sad that the Umbers are basically left out

[master]

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Aside from a few mentions of Riverrun, the Tulles (except for Catelyn of course) have been completely removed. The Greatjon mentions in ep8 that defeating Jaime will bring the River lords to their side, but other than that, their role as the North's allies is pretty much ignored. I can see how they can write around it up until Edmure's marriage at the Twins, when it's pretty much impossible to ignore the Tully's role

I think it'd be easy to ignore it. they'd jsut need to find a replacement for the groom. I hope not though.
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[BlackTalon]

Leuf, on 13 April 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

  I hope Dany never sets foot in Meereen.

maybe after Qarth all three other cities (Astapor, Yunkai, Meereen) will be combined into one. Would be much cheaper as far as location and props are concerned, too, and wouldn´t detract in any significant way from the plotline

[boojam]

BlackTalon, on 14 April 2012 - 06:23 AM, said:

maybe after Qarth all three other cities (Astapor, Yunkai, Meereen) will be combined into one. Would be much cheaper as far as location and props are concerned, too, and wouldn´t detract in any significant way from the plotline

They are going to reach a point where there won't be any big vista battle scenes, after the battle at the Wall, there is not much else in Westeros going on except a lot of quest stuff and melodrama (I think interesting melodrama). So things have to shift East all the eastern action could be shoved in , what?, season 5. Like is said only one big vista battle, tho that could be interesting since it would be different for the battle action in Westeros. After the city conquests I think they are going to have dream up so way to structure Crows and Dragons so it's not all travel log , throne sitting and court administration.

Edited by boojam, 15 April 2012 - 05:49 AM.

[FanTasy]

There are multiple quotes available that the TV Show is an adaptation of the novels. So some plots, probably major ones, will not be included. And it is possible that non-existing plots will pop up or that minor plots in the novels are extended. As for R+L=J, there can be multiple reasons why they didn't cover it extensively in Season 1. Personally I always doubted that this will be very important in the end game - if Jon survives and is a player in said end game. It will not be a Harry Potter ending, I suspect.

As for other plots:

The Reeds and Bran-three eyed Crow: I suspect they will drop Jojen and Meera completely and let Osha take Bran on his quest for the three-eyed crow - and maybe Rickon too, who will have an accident maybe of fall victim to the wights, if he is another Stark who will not survive.

Reek-Jeyne-Theon: I am pretty convinced we will see this. They seem to be building up Theon's part in Season 2 so he may be one of the major characters. ETA: maybe they will drop Ramsay and let Roose be the villain?

Littlefinger-Sansa: I am sure they will cover this, we have seen Ser Dontos introduced as a build-up for this plot.

Red Wedding: definitely in. Too epic to miss and they are extending Robb's scenes, partly due to that the producers like how this role is played - rightly so, imo, he is very convincing. The red wedding will have tremendous impact on people who haven't read the books.

Meereen-Yunkai-Astapor: I wouldn't be surprised if there will be only Meereen.

Blackfish - if he is important somehow in books 6-7 we will see him, but I have a feeling we will not :-(((

_{ETA because of fuzzy English ... and for this:}

Euron-Damphair-Victarion: I suspect we will only see Victarion as a major player in the TV show ...

Edited by FanTasy, 15 April 2012 - 07:14 AM.

[Peasant Rebel Leader]

I don't think they will lose any big storyline. They will be combined (Bronn and Bywater) and streamlined (Arya will meet a lot less persons) a lot though. It's too hard to tell right now and I think we're better of waiting to see what changes Season 2 makes, afterwards, we have another year to speculate

[dtones520]

The show creators have stated that a lot of the characters we are complaining about not being there will show up next season. The Reeds/Tullys don't really have a big role til next year anyways.

[FanTasy]

dtones520, on 15 April 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

The show creators have stated that a lot of the characters we are complaining about not being there will show up next season. The Reeds/Tullys don't really have a big role til next year anyways.

You're right, they said so. And I hope there will not be a lot of dropped plots.

But if they keep all the storylines in and all characters - I think a lot of viewers could find the show confusing.
In a book you can follow more storylines and more characters than in a 50-minute show.
And even when going back while reading I didn't get some things until re-reading all novels entirely.

Of course you can look back things on a recording as well as on written pages, but I guess most people who are not into reading will just want to see the show and comprehend what they see. There is a limit at the amount of characters in an episode and in a show that you are able to follow, or to the number of locations that you see in one episode.

It is a hell of a job to bring these novels to the screen, As far as I've seen it now (2:02) I think they are doing a good job.

[dtones520]

FanTasy, on 15 April 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

You're right, they said so. And I hope there will not be a lot of dropped plots.

But if they keep all the storylines in and all characters - I think a lot of viewers could find the show confusing.
In a book you can follow more storylines and more characters than in a 50-minute show.
And even when going back while reading I didn't get some things until re-reading all novels entirely.

Of course you can look back things on a recording as well as on written pages, but I guess most people who are not into reading will just want to see the show and comprehend what they see. There is a limit at the amount of characters in an episode and in a show that you are able to follow, or to the number of locations that you see in one episode.

It is a hell of a job to bring these novels to the screen, As far as I've seen it now (2:02) I think they are doing a good job.

Considering that they are huge book fans, I think they plan on folowing the major storylines of the story, change up some of the minor stuff to make it tv friendly, but tell the overall story.

[House Balstroko]

So far Selyse has been omitted, but I think she will need to make an appereance when Dance comes rolling around.

[Darth Pipes]

About Astapor, Yunkai, and Meereen, I think you can cut one of them out but not both.  The reason Dany stuck around because the two cities she had already had already fallen back into dictatorship and brutality.  I think there's got to at least be one liberated city that goes to hell to explain why Dany wants to stay in Meereen.  Maybe just combine Astapor and Yunkai.

[boojam]

How about added plot or story development?
We see Margaery Tyrell tonight and D&D have hinted they will make her role bigger.
That actually may be a blessing because Natalie Dormer is such a fine actress , she may combine several plot threads for other characters.
Thing about it , like Arya's adventure story, Brienne's also almost tells itself, we may see more of her.
I would not mind one bit if D&D wanted to work Jaqen H’ghar back into the story , George just left that as big narrative hole mystery.

[Old Man Aegon]

I had hoped to see the reeds in S2 but they have not been casted as far as I know so now I just hope someone else says the epic "The Wolves will come again" and that bran gets to say his "it was not dead, just broken. Like me, Im not dead either."

[Arkash]

Well, I'd be angry if the Tully, Greyjoy and Martell were totally left out of the show, I found all their stories fascinating and even just reducing them would bother me...

[dtones520]

Arkash, on 15 April 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

Well, I'd be angry if the Tully, Greyjoy and Martell were totally left out of the show, I found all their stories fascinating and even just reducing them would bother me...

The Greyjoys are playing a pretty big role in the series now.

The Tullys really aren't important until the next season anyways. I imagine this season ends with Robb and crew headed to Riverrun to broker a marriage with a Frey for Edmure.

The Martells aren't really important til AFFC. Outside of Oberyn we don't see any Martells in Storm. So we are going to get them in Season 5, outside of Oberyn who is too cool to leave out.

[Dontos the Slim]

I can't believe this would be dropped, but Tyrion's book-long preparations for battle haven't even begun yet in the show. We will need to be formally introduced to wildfire, etc.

It just makes me a little nervous, not that I don't think that episode is going to be anything short of epic anyway.

Edited by Dontos the Slim, 16 April 2012 - 01:27 PM.

[BlackTalon]

FanTasy, on 15 April 2012 - 07:02 AM, said:

Euron-Damphair-Victarion: I suspect we will only see Victarion as a major player in the TV show ...

My guess would be they cancel the Damphair and create some kind of Euron/Victarion hybrid, who is Admiral of the Iron Fleet under Balon, then gets himself crowned king, raids Westeros and then sets sail for Meereen to fetch his queen.