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[oba]

Winter, on 26 April 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

Dany was born at sea I think.

She was born on Dragonstone.

[Winter's Knight]

oba, on 26 April 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

She was born on Dragonstone.

Which is by the sea.

[House Mauldania]

Born at sea:
Dany on Dragonstone (if being born on an island counts as being born at sea)
Davos (drowned-ish, and survived. Not really who I would have guessed or wanted)
Theon, born again ironborn. (Not sure about his sword fighting skills with his fuct up hands, also maybe been gelded.. so gender neutral.. a bit of a stretch)
Jon, we don't know what happens to him next, perhaps transported to the sea and tossed in? (Others have mentioned something about tears having salt and that makes up for the sea thing)
Tyrion, pulled from the river. (could it have been a salt river? Or maybe the vision/prophesy is wrong about sea and they just saw a body of water and called it a sea)
UnCat, same thing as with Tyrion.

Maybe we should start looking at what might be Lightbringer and who is close to these "swords". Feel free to help me out here.

Ice- Gendry could reforge Ice and make Lightbringer, Jaime, Brianne and Jon Snow seem close enough to this sword.. Maybe UnCat

Dawn- who knows where that is.. who's close??? Maybe Arthur Dayne is still alive and is AATPTWP

Mel- Seems like it would either be Jon or Stannis

Nights Watch - Jon or Stannis again

Dragons - Danny or maybe one of the other two heads

Edited by House Mauldania, 26 April 2012 - 12:45 PM.

[PatrickStormborn]

CrypticWeirwood, on 15 April 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

Aye, and she also says that the hero will be reborn from the sea. How meets those criteria? Not Jon. Not Bran. Not even Dany.

Azor Ahai, the historical figure, will be reborn as a hero amidst salt and smoke/out of the sea. Dany was born at Dragonstone, a smoking island in the sea.

If you think that Azor Ahai Reborn needs to be reborn (although this is not what the prophecy says), then Dany was technically "reborn" in the Dothraki Sea.

[Sun]

I'm holding out hope for either Jamie or Brienne being TPTWP.

[Maester Victor]

Patchface drowned... buahaha, Patchface for TPTWP!

[kimo333]

Winter, on 15 April 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

Aemon thinks it is Dany because the prophecy uses a gender neutral pronoun.
But what if the prophecy uses a gender neutral because the person being talked about is neither a man nor a woman but a eunuch?

What if it's Varys?

someones been reading a certain trilogy

[Winter's Knight]

kimo333, on 26 April 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

someones been reading a certain trilogy

Rereading.
Same pattern though :Mistborn spoilers again

Spoiler

an ancient prophecy that's been fulfiled once. Then everyone assumes the next prophesied hero is male. Realisation that the pronoun is gender neutral and focus shifts to the female protagonist who's been abused/protected by her elder brother for most of her childhood. Then in the end every one realises that the pronoun is gender neutral because the promised Hero is a eunuch.
I wonder if Marin has read Mistborn?

Edited by Winter's Knight, 26 April 2012 - 07:19 PM.

[Ciazio]

TPTWP is Jon and AAR is Dany: Ice and Fire, Westeros and Essos, Ice Dragon and Fire Dragon, male and female, Jon dead resurrected by Mel and Dany dead in the upcoming battle in Meereen => resurrected by Moqorro.

The two marry but after the wedding the red comet crashes on the planet and everyone dies. Sort of a sweet/bitter ending, or not?

Bump.

[romantic]

What about Rhaegar - if he washed up on the QI and has been there all these years? Just been rereading A Storm of Swords and apparently he was really bookish as a child before reading something which made him interested in learning how to fight.


Edit: I dreamt this which is why it's probably a crackpot theory

Edited by romantic, 10 June 2012 - 07:49 PM.

[TheMysteriousOne]

Since Melisandre is obsessed with fire and R'Hllor is the Lord of Light, wouldn't she abandon Stannis for Dany since she has dragons, which are fire made flesh.

[The Last Reyne]

I don't think so. The PTWP would have to be a leader and while one never knows how Varys would do as a leader I think his reputation would be a hinderence. The others we believe may be the PTWP do not have the sinister reputation and have some backing from Houses of the Realm.

[EgoistMusketeer]

Are we discussing "Amidst smoke and salt"? Because if that is the case then the person to best fit it is....

well just look at my signature.

[Adelstein]

Davos: presumed burned and/or drowned at the Blackwater: also lost his fingerbones (representing his old life?) and his sons (the Nissa Nissa sacrifice?) in the same incident. Has "died" and "been reborn" a couple of times now.

Not saying that I want this to be the case, or believe it will, but, hmm...

[Eyron I]

House Mauldania, on 26 April 2012 - 12:42 PM, said:

Jon, we don't know what happens to him next, perhaps transported to the sea and tossed in? (Others have mentioned something about tears having salt and that makes up for the sea thing)

Well, if he is dead, or badly wounded, he could be put in the ice-storerooms under the Wall, where we in one Jon chapter get a very thourough inventory of all the salted meat and smoked sausages. And if the Wall is made of sea water, he is indeed reborn from the sea.

My favourite anti-climatic solution to the AAR story, ever presented. Don't know who came up with it but oh how I laughed. No great fires or roaring seas, just sausages and pork.

[Theda Baratheon]

Lady Hodor, on 15 April 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

It could be. But he seems to be working to put Aegon on the throne, because he believes that Aegon is TPTWP.
Or it could be that half/and/half named Sweets in the slaver's mansion where Tyrion and Penny end up

SWEETS IS A SECRET TARG IT IS KNOWN

[The Titan's Legitimate Son]

Adelstein, on 10 June 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Davos: presumed burned and/or drowned at the Blackwater: also lost his fingerbones (representing his old life?) and his sons (the Nissa Nissa sacrifice?) in the same incident. Has "died" and "been reborn" a couple of times now.

Not saying that I want this to be the case, or believe it will, but, hmm...

"Reborn admist salt and smoke" - 'Reborn' at Blackwater Bay on the small island -  admist 'salt' where the river meets the sea and he ended up, and 'smoke' from the wildfire

Plus imagine the irony if Stannis' best friend and minor dude was AAR

[Theda Baratheon]

The Titan, on 06 February 2013 - 09:10 AM, said:

"Reborn admist salt and smoke" - 'Reborn' at Blackwater Bay on the small island -  admist 'salt' where the river meets the sea and he ended up, and 'smoke' from the wildfire

Plus imagine the irony if Stannis' best friend and minor dude was AAR

I do kinda like this actually. Davos is a babe.

[Makes No Sansa]

It was Joffrey. Westeros is doomed and so is the whole world, since he died. Anyway, there are some who still believe he'll be reborn amidst salt and smoke to marry Margaery once again, father bastards with Sansa and defeat the Others with his crossbow. I count myself among those believers.

[Frey family reunion]

Dragon changing from male to female refers to "AA" or "the dragon" moving from Rhaegar to Dany upon Rhaegar's death.  AA is reborn in smoke and fire refers to Dany's birth on dragonstone (surrounded by sea and smoking volcanos), & her rebirth after her wedding night horse ride, go back to GOT and read the description of her horse.  AA has also either been one additional Targ (probably Aegon V) or it refers to a future being who will come about during the time of Dany's death (i.e. if she dies during childbirth).  I believe this is the reference to a dragon having three heads (AA exists through the lives of three different persons).

Jon and Dany's dragons are lightbringer: Jon is the hilt, the dragon(s) the blade.  This could also mean that addiitonal characters can fill these roles as well (at least up to two additional characters).

Previous attempts at forging lightbringer, I believe are Aegon VI (and his sister I guess) birth (this references the tempering the sword through the heart of the lion).  Rhaegar's marriage to Ellia was meant as an insult to the Lannisters.  Breaking of the sword is the breaking of Aegon VI and his sister during sack of King's landing.

Not sure about tempering the sword though water but I believe it may refer to Baelor Breakspear lineage coming from the marriage contract that tied the Targaryen royal family to the Dornes (culminating in the Water gardens).  But it could also refer to Duncan the small and Jenny of Oldstones (she possibly being a descendant of the original kings of rivers and hills).  Or possibly even Steffan Baratheon's crossing the narrow sea to find a spouse for Rhaegar.