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[Book Spoilers] Theonīs "drowning"


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#1 Xtopher

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:17 AM

First of all i dont actually recall how it is in the books,

but according to what i know, wasnt Theon supposed to be drowned in that ceremony at the shores of Pyke rather than being sprinkled with water?

And If they actually changed it, why do you think they did it? cerainly it wasnt a budget issue. Maybe it might have been a bit too dramatic to actually drown him?

Finally, do you think that was Aeron Damphair performing the ceremony?

#2 Aegnor

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:11 AM

I don't remember him being drowned. In fact, I think the ceremony happened when he first arrived on Pike. Aeron poured salt water from his water-skin over Theon's head. I remember reading somewhere that producers have said that that is not Aeron. Likely they don't want to cast him this early, when he won't show up again for 3 years IRL time.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:34 AM

Isn't the drowning (as in actual drowning and "resurrection") more of a ritual to introduce someone into the servitude of the Drowned God as a Drowned Man?

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:38 AM

Aeron comments in AFFC that he's frustrated/angry that so many of the Ironborn are content with the type of ceremony shown on screen as opposed to a real drowning, for what it's worth.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:41 AM

First of all i dont actually recall how it is in the books,

but according to what i know, wasnt Theon supposed to be drowned in that ceremony at the shores of Pyke rather than being sprinkled with water?

And If they actually changed it, why do you think they did it? cerainly it wasnt a budget issue. Maybe it might have been a bit too dramatic to actually drown him?

Finally, do you think that was Aeron Damphair performing the ceremony?

He kneels in the water and is sprinkled with water from Damphair, he doesn't get dunked in the books.

I think it was their homage to Damphair, not sure if they have him playing a full part in the show

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:42 AM

I am sure Damphair will get cast around the time of the KM

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:47 AM

In the books, Theon just gets sprinkled with saltwater by Aeron before his sister even shows up, or he meets his father.

It was only a sprinkle because he is thinking that it is irritating because the water runs down his chest and back, under his clothes. He just does it to get Aeron to shut up, and take him to his father.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:55 AM

GRRM himself mentioned in the "religions of Westeros" commentary that Theon had been drowned as a boy. I thought that ceremony was just "pledging" himself to the drowned god again, so to say.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 12:27 PM

My impression from the books is that an actual full drowning as an adult is a rarity reserved only for people like Damphair and his followers. Most just do the baptism and call it a drowning.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 01:17 PM

Isn't the drowning (as in actual drowning and "resurrection") more of a ritual to introduce someone into the servitude of the Drowned God as a Drowned Man?


Yes, a full drowning and then resurrecting the victim through CPR (I imagine they lost quite a few potential candidates) was done to those who wished to become a Drowned Man (priest). That scene is played out with Damphair in the beginning of a chapter with a young man, not Theon. Theon only had water poured on him, which is more of a ceremonial thing.

I really liked the way they made Damphair look for the scene and how everyone was dressed in dark steel and gray and blue colors... matched so nicely with the darkness of the water and sky - very nice visual touches.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 01:33 PM

I thought they portrayed the scene pretty well compared to the books. It was my favorite scene in the episode.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:30 PM

I could imagine seeing the drowning straight away and having no knowledge of the book could be quite startling if you don't actually know what will happen. Also, this way allows Alfie to do a bit more acting in regards to his delivery, and also the meaningful looks exchanged between him and his father.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:35 PM

I thought the guy they did cast in the role of the priest was pretty awesome. I kind of wish that he was actually Aeron.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:39 PM

I'm going to correct myself in my previous post. Apparently Theon and all of his brothers were 'drowned' in the old style as a rite of passage as children. I don't remember this being stated in the books, but GRRM confirms it in this interview done as part of a "Religions of Westeros" short inside edition for the show:

http://www.youtube.c...ture=plpp_video

Great video worth watching if you want to get a feel for how religion is being interpreted for the show, but it does give a few brief snippets of scenes to come which could be considered spoilers if you don't watch previews of coming episodes so beware.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 03:18 PM

I sincerely hope that that actor is going to stick around, or return, as Aeron. It's the ultimate Aeron for me.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 03:47 PM

I thought the guy they did cast in the role of the priest was pretty awesome. I kind of wish that he was actually Aeron.

Hah, I thought he was too good-looking to be Damphair. /biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 04:12 PM

Yes, a full drowning and then resurrecting the victim through CPR (I imagine they lost quite a few potential candidates) was done to those who wished to become a Drowned Man (priest).


I must admit it is a pretty bad-ass initiation ritual.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 05:02 PM

As it's already been said, there's two versions of the ritual and Theon was drowned as a rites of passage to manhood, but he just got the light version when he came back to Pyke.

All Ironborn get drowned (if they do it properly) and Damphair is held in high regard because he's never lost anyone.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 05:22 PM

It would have been a departure from the books, but I would have liked to see Theon all out drowned. His character is already a bit different from in Clash and it seems like something he'd do to get some approval from daddy at this point.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 06:01 PM

It's 'reconsecration', not a full blown drowning.