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[TywinLann]

Does this change the way you view her being a virgin at all?

[daggers]

eh....she seems to be good at playing....wait for it......the GAME OF THRONES.  

She does seem a little promiscuous though.

[Sidonie]

TywinLann, on 16 April 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

Does this change the way you view her being a virgin at all?

Well, we'll see. Maybe Renly won't be able to bring himself to do it. He might have a severe allergic reaction to "fish pie" (that description HAS to be the grossest thing in HBO's GoT to date.).

[JonHo]

I guess it doesn't matter to the plot anymore, whether she's a virgin or not.

[Sasha Steelsong]

No.  Virgin doesn't actually necessarily mean innocent.  Just cause she's in the game up to her eyeballs doesn't mean she's had sex.  In fact the fact that she's so politically aware indicates to me that she would know how much her virginity would be worth as a political tool and wouldn't do anything to jepordize it.   But frankly whether she's a virgin or not in the tv show, does not change how she is in the books.

[eyeheartsansa]

I never thought she was actually a virgin., in either medium.

Edited by eyeheartsansa, 16 April 2012 - 03:01 PM.

[chris999]

Somebody hit that

[CC-Kingmaker]

chris999, on 16 April 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

Somebody hit that

Agreed

[TywinLann]

chris999, on 16 April 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

Somebody hit that

haha

[The King in the South]

It was already a given that she was not some innocent girl once we saw Sansa's interaction with her. Being a virgin or not does not really change this.

[Humphrey Plantagenet]

In the books we’ve not had a PoV character within the Tyrell inner circle. But those who’ve speculated from the outside don’t have much faith that she came to her Lannister marriages a maid. The upcoming trial is going to take a keen interest in the facts of her virginity. I think that, whatever she’s been up to, she might have been smart enough to have stopped short giving the prize away. But there’s plenty of doubt.
The TV shows perspective from within Renly’s court, and his bedroom, has made it clear that Renly himself and her own brother don’t believe her to be a virgin. And she didn’t have any desire to give her husband the impression she was . So in some far distant episode, when Cersei starts scheming, then the perception will be that she’s got Margaery bang to rights.

[Ser_Patreck]

I'll treat Renly's and Loras' thoughts on her virtue in the show the same way I treated Rakharo dying, or Loras practically "forcing" Renly to crown himself - Overindulgent creative license.

I don't think she's an innocent little girl like Sansa was. But I don't see her as a particularly promiscuous woman either. The show wants to makes us think that she's been sleeping around way before being betrothed to him, but... The only daughter of a Great Lord, at sixteen years old, as she is in the book-verse? Not doing that, sorry.

[RhaenysBalerion]

I don't think Margaery's had sex. She just doesn't want people to know that for sure (you see how much trouble it brought on to Brienne that she so open about that fact she's a virgin?). As for being innocent, no. She's smart and cunning. And you expect that of her as Olenna's granddaughter. I don't particularly like Margaery in the books, but Natalie Dormer did an incredible job transforming into a young and innocent - though as agreed not so innocent - girl after Anne Boleyen. Well of course that's her job as an actress, but it impressed me how I never thought of Anne for single moment while Margaery was on screen.

[The Merling Queen]

From reading the books, I never got the impression that Margaery was innocent, I think HBO is taking it a little over the top.  She's nothing like I imagined her from the books.  And somehow I knew when I heard they cast Natalie Dormer for the role, I would not be able to get her portrayal Ann Boleyn out of my head.  I can't help it.

I also find her push for Renly to get her pregnant (I'm guessing they will end up having some kind of sex, even if it includes Loras) might be a little problematic with her claiming to have been a virgin when she marries Joffrey Tommen, and gets tried by the faith.

[The Imp With A Pimp Limp]

She's obviously not a virgin, I think, but does it really matter ? It's been over a year since Renly's death and she's not pregnant so it's not like it matters. She's never been pregnant either. Sure, Pycelle said she took moon tea but we all know that Pycelle's word counts for nothing. I know her maidenhead is broken but even Cersei says it is not uncommon for girls to rupture their maidenhead while horseback riding.

[The Imp With A Pimp Limp]

The Merling Queen, on 16 April 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

From reading the books, I never got the impression that Margaery was innocent, I think HBO is taking it a little over the top.  She's nothing like I imagined her from the books.  And somehow I knew when I heard they cast Natalie Dormer for the role, I would not be able to get her portrayal Ann Boleyn out of my head.  I can't help it.

I also find her push for Renly to get her pregnant (I'm guessing they will end up having some kind of sex, even if it includes Loras) might be a little problematic with her claiming to have been a virgin when she marries Joffrey Tommen, and gets tried by the faith.

Her maidenhead is broken but she can say she ruptured it while horse back riding,
Also, HBO always takes everything over the top because it is a lot more difficult to imply things in tv. Just look at Stannis and Melisandre, and Renly and Loras

[chris999]

Even if she did come into the Lannister wedding as a virgin, which I doubt, I think that at her age, she is having sexual desires that Tommen, obviously, is not able to satisfy.

GRRM will continue to throw curveballs at us.He wants us to believe that she is innocent of all of her adultery trials that are comming up, but I bet that she has been getting it on with the Kingsgaurd members, and she will end up getting executed, sparking a huge 3 way conflict between the High Septon, the Tyrells and the Lannisters.

[Fragile Bird]

Doesn't Loras say to Renly, officially she's a virgin?  Doesn't that suggest, unofficially she's not?

It's all part of the BS in the Game of Thrones, isn't it?  Whether or not she's a virgin hardly matters,what really matters is whether or not she's pregnant.  Joffrey never bedded her, and Tommen is too young, so as long as she's not pregnant she hasn't betrayed either of them, because surely she's not sleeping with anyone while she's at KL.  And chris999 you're suggesting she is sleeping with someone, but between the QoT and herself, you have a pair of sharp cookies and I just don't see her doing something that stupid right under the nose of Cersei.  Look how they met with Sansa and the safeguards they took to make sure they weren't overheard.  They know there are watchers.

What's funny in all this is Cersei's really angry about the idea that she's might not be a virgin, because then she wouldn't be good enough for either of her (product of incest) sons.  And as if she was a virgin when she married Robert!

Edited by Fragile Bird, 16 April 2012 - 04:32 PM.

[Daughter of Dragons]

I am pretty much undecided on this issue. While it might appear that she is not a virgin in the tv show, I do believe it's very possible that she is actually a virgin where the books are concerned. I always thought that the moon tea was only asked for by Pycelle because it was known that the issue would make it's way to Cersei sooner or later and therein set into motion the resulting chain of events. That was one way to get Cersei Lannister out of Margaery's way as Queen.

[Queen Cersei I]

Sidonie, on 16 April 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

Well, we'll see. Maybe Renly won't be able to bring himself to do it. He might have a severe allergic reaction to "fish pie" (that description HAS to be the grossest thing in HBO's GoT to date.).

I think the show's conception of this character is wildly different from GRRM's own.

Personally, I like the show's version much, much better.

As for book Margary, I'd say the question of her virginity hardly matters-- even if she did sleep with Renly and was ordered by her father to lie about it, GRRM does not portray that as evil. What matters is if she "evilly" cheated on Tommen the way the wicked Cersei cheated on Robert.

And since Margary is a good and smart woman, she would never do that.