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[Hear Us Roar]

Clegane and his men were not there, just Lannister guards

[Auska]

Dunno who it was, but I have to say it was pretty brutal. I felt it in my throat

[Independent George]

Reading the books, I didn't feel much about Lommy's death; he was a minor character whose only purpose was to die brutally at the hands of the Lannisters.

Watching it on screen, I just can't let go of how young he is. While I know he's a child when I read it, actually seeing a little boy get stabbed through the throat is something else entirely.

[Davos55]

I think next episode they will find out very quickly that Lommy wasn't Gendry, judging by the preview. It looks like there will be some torture scenes, probably at the hands of The Tickler.

Also, the return of Gregor Clegane most likely! I hope the new actor does him justice. I liked Conan Stevens as Gregor in the few scenes he was in last season. Especially after his appearance in Spartacus Vengeance in a memorable episode.

[The Monkey]

Davos55, on 19 April 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:

I think next episode they will find out very quickly that Lommy wasn't Gendry, judging by the preview. It looks like there will be some torture scenes, probably at the hands of The Tickler.

I sincerely hope they aren't torturing people in search of Gendry. There is no way that the other people in the group wouldn't give away his identity after a bit of torture. I hope they keep the torture relating to Beric's whereabouts, or some other external question.

[Davos55]

The Monkey, on 19 April 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:

I sincerely hope they aren't torturing people in search of Gendry. There is no way that the other people in the group wouldn't give away his identity after a bit of torture. I hope they keep the torture relating to Beric's whereabouts, or some other external question.

That is a very good point, I just don't know what they are going to do to tie in the end of the episode with Arya's line, into the next episode. I really hope Beric is mentioned, but nonbook fans may have forgot about him, so they will probably need a refresher about his role. I suppose we will find out on Sunday!

Edited by Davos55, 19 April 2012 - 03:51 PM.

[Buckwheat]

Ndrew of Typhgarian, on 19 April 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:

Right! And you know what else, why would Gendry give Lommy the helm, or let even let it out of his sights.
Ned Stark- "Who was your mom"
Gendry- "The helm is not for sale"
He loved that helm and wouldn't let Lommy have it as they try to escape and have a battle

I do not think Gendry let Lommy have the helm, I think he forgot it laying there when he run, and Lommy picked it up, probably he thought it was going to help him.

There is not way Arya's full list will get into the show, there are simply too many irrelevant characters like Raff on it. It would only confuse the wiewers and not really help the story.

[Davos55]

Buckwheat, on 19 April 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

I do not think Gendry let Lommy have the helm, I think he forgot it laying there when he run, and Lommy picked it up, probably he thought it was going to help him.

There is not way Arya's full list will get into the show, there are simply too many irrelevant characters like Raff on it. It would only confuse the wiewers and not really help the story.

I think Gendry forgot it as well, but it is still unlike him to do that.

I wouldn't say Raff is necessarily irrelevant. He is the one who kills the owner of the inn's son in Chiswyck's story, and he killed Lommy, granting him a spot on Arya's hit list. In AFFC Jaime's group goes to Harrenhal and he finds out info from Raff. He is noted as being much more well spoken than anyone else there, and Jaime takes him with him to Riverrun. He is now taking escorting Robin Ryger and Desmond Grell to Maidenpool so they can go to the wall. I am sure this will atleast be mentioned or come into play in the next novels.
My prediction is that they run into Nymeria, and she ends up killing Raff!

I know the entire list may confuse people, but I think it is great because it started out so large and it keeps dwindling. The list helps drive Arya, and it isn't that hard to follow in my opinion. But I am sure they will probably cut out some people from it unfortunately, Dunsen being a likely candidate for instance. I just don't want them to cut Raff out, or Chiswyck, or others.

Edited by Davos55, 19 April 2012 - 05:10 PM.

[Buckwheat]

Ok, he might not have been as irrelevant as a random commoner, he serves some purpose in the story, but when Edmure and Blackfish and the Reed children for all I know are cut, there is little possibility for Raff, Dunsen, Polliver and Tickler to be given a large parts of the story. One of them may do it, or they will merge them into one or two characters. Arya is already going around killing nobodies in the books, it would look ridiculous on screen, like her story is not connected with the others anymore.

[Davos55]

Very good point on Edmure, Blackfish, and the Reeds. I have missed them a lot myself and they play huge roles in the book. I am just wishful thinking about the future in regards to her prayer list.

Though I don't know what you are referring to with her going around killing nobodies in the books.

[Arkash]

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I think next episode they will find out very quickly that Lommy wasn't Gendry, judging by the preview. It looks like there will be some torture scenes, probably at the hands of The Tickler.

No please, no torture about Gendry !

I want so badly to hear: "Is there any gold ? Did you see Beric Dondarrion ? How many men were with him ? How many archers ? ..."

[Nebmai]

I don't think Edmure and the others were cut totally from the series, I read a recent interview with one of D + D and he said there were some key characters they held off on introducing till next season just to avoid having too many new ones added at once to an already huge list.  He used the phrase "delayed not cut" or something close to that.

[Arkash]

And also one thing to keep in mind is that there are characters in the second book who don’t appear this season, but are coming in later. It’s just about so many new characters introduced in the second season, so we saved some for the next season. They aren’t being omitted, they’re just being delayed.

Anyway, I think the first casting annoucments for season 3 will fall within two months...

About Arya's prayer: you can hear and see it at the very beginning of the late religion video: "Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne..." she says, apparently, she skips the titles.

http://www.youtube.c...v=DIe0Q3PgcOw#!

Edited by Arkash, 19 April 2012 - 06:10 PM.

[Ser Dermett Corbray]

Independent George, on 19 April 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

Reading the books, I didn't feel much about Lommy's death; he was a minor character whose only purpose was to die brutally at the hands of the Lannisters.

Watching it on screen, I just can't let go of how young he is. While I know he's a child when I read it, actually seeing a little boy get stabbed through the throat is something else entirely.

This. In the books, I figured he was a tough teenage lad. Still brutal, but not so much. In the show...dear God, how awful.

I forgot about the Tickler.

Well, I didn't forget, I just forgot that we had to witness him at work. I wonder if we'll see those peasant corpses strung up with entrails falling out, crows pecking eyes etc? That was a particularly nasty image from the book.

[Davos55]

I for one am excited to see the Tickler in action haha. I am curious to see how far HBO will go with it.

[Fredwin]

They were torturing everyone they came across weren't they? I remember Arya commenting they always ask the same questions. Where's the gold? Have you seen Beric? etc.

[TheDrawback]

Think they are merging Raff and Polliver and change the Jaime getting introduced with Raff at Harrenhall with some other person maybe? Poliver picked up needle so i guess this would be him and the chapter with Arya and the Hound at the inn where they encounter Polliver and the Tickler is still plausable this way.

[TheDrawback]

Davos55, on 19 April 2012 - 08:42 PM, said:

I for one am excited to see the Tickler in action haha. I am curious to see how far HBO will go with it.

I couldn't agree more

[The Monkey]

Looks from the preview that the "tickling" constitutes burning people with a torch. A far as I know we never got to know what specifically he did in the novel.

Edited by The Monkey, 20 April 2012 - 05:19 AM.

[Maginor]

Fredwin, on 19 April 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

They were torturing everyone they came across weren't they? I remember Arya commenting they always ask the same questions. Where's the gold? Have you seen Beric? etc.

Is there any gold in the village?