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[boojam]

Hear Us Roar, on 19 April 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

Clegane and his men were not there, just Lannister guards

Clegane only occurred in the Arya and company following adventure , which is kind of a 'travelog' they didn't need to use. (Which by the way is ok for the book but I didn't want to see, thank god no Weasel.)
They used the Gold cloaks as an excuse, but could just as well have had Ser Amory show up on his own (as in the book).
Tho it provided a 'sort of' closure for the Gendry - bastard story (which , in the novel, just did a quick fade, as interest was lost in KL, maybe due to Tyrion, we never find out. By the by, reading SoS again, George implies Robert had bastards all over the place, but makes not big deal out it, Gendry may just be one of many.)
Seems like they should of had Lommy with a death grip on the bulls head helm, since it was lying away from him, would have , well almost, nailed it.
I can't remember how Gendry lost it in the book, anyway , in the novel, seems interest in Gendry went away , I think?

Edited by boojam, 20 April 2012 - 08:50 AM.

[TheDrawback]

boojam, on 20 April 2012 - 08:40 AM, said:

I can't remember how Gendry lost it in the book, anyway , in the novel, seems interest in Gendry went away , I think?

IIRC some person of the guards just took it from him couse he liked it.I agree on the losing interest part

[Magjee]

No names given, they might have combined them into one character for simplicities sake.

Maybe he is also Raff the Sweetling.

[stormborns]

Ndrew of Typhgarian, on 18 April 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

When Arya said you already killed Gendry she was talking about Lommy right? But Lommy has blonde hair and (I assume) not blue eyes. He looks like a Lannister, lol. Not like a bastard of Robert Baratheron

They're Lannister sworn Knights from Harrenhal, not too intelligent in the brains departmentals I should think

[stormborns]

Gendry would hate hate hate to let go of that helmet, but I think when its between getting captured and losing his head or leaving his helmet unguarded for a bit of time, he isn't a dummy.  Oh well, stubborn Taurus, that helmet which was meant to get him in trouble (identifier) managed to save him.  That and Arya Stark.

[Blangadanger]

Ndrew of Typhgarian, on 18 April 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

When Arya said you already killed Gendry she was talking about Lommy right? But Lommy has blonde hair and (I assume) not blue eyes. He looks like a Lannister, lol. Not like a bastard of Robert Baratheron

Well I don't think Arya has had much time to think it through, and as far as I know, she is just as clueless about the color of his hair being important as Gendry himself is. IMO I think she says it was Lommy simply to buy more time for Gendry and her to get away, with the hope that the "bad guys" will simply leave them all alone if they think Gendry is dead. She will likely find out that they have no interest in doing so in the next episode however.

[boojam]

Ndrew of Typhgarian, on 18 April 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

When Arya said you already killed Gendry she was talking about Lommy right? But Lommy has blonde hair and (I assume) not blue eyes. He looks like a Lannister, lol. Not like a bastard of Robert Baratheron

The Harrenhal men were really looking for Beric Dondarrion and didn't care about Gendry.
One has to suppose those Goldcloaks (and think there were only 2) didn't have clue as what Gendry looked like, beside his mother could have had been a blond.
I guess the audience would have gotten confused if only Ser Amory Lorch's men had of shown up, as it was in the book.

[Davos55]

Beric hasn't been mentioned in a while, I really hope he gets brought up though next episode. I know the Ticker is going to be in action, but it doesn't look like it will be at that village like in the book, it will be at Harrenhal. I suppose we won't get the "is there gold in the village?" questions.

I hope the torture isn't all about Gendry though, that would be a big deviation.

[HouseLancaster]

It won't be, the whole point of the helmet thing at the end was to close that thread.

Do you think her captives, Hot Pie etc will cotton on to the fact that Ayra is a girl? From the previews, Ayra is still wearing her boy clothes (not a serving girl) and also, (given that she only ever gets 5 minutes an episode) I can't imagine they'll wish to spend dealing with everyones reaction, or explaning that she is a girl...

[Morrigan]

TheDrawback, on 20 April 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

IIRC some person of the guards just took it from him couse he liked it.I agree on the losing interest part

I believe it was Dunsen, and that's how he earned his place on Arya's hitlist.

Edit: yup. And nothing else is known about Dunsen, haha. He's first mentioned as the one who took Gendry's helm... and then he's only ever mentioned in Arya's prayer after that.

Edited by Morrigan, 21 April 2012 - 10:49 PM.

[HannibalStark]

Ndrew of Typhgarian, on 19 April 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:

Right! And you know what else, why would Gendry give Lommy the helm, or let even let it out of his sights.
Ned Stark- "Who was your mom"
Gendry- "The helm is not for sale"
He loved that helm and wouldn't let Lommy have it as they try to escape and have a battle

IDK, as Gendry says himself he isn't as dumb as the others. If one of the only things that could identify him and which the gold cloaks said specifically they were looking for was the helmet, does anyone else not think it kinda makes sense not to sign your own death warrant by leaving it?

He was protective of it at the shop with Ned, because he wasn't already told before hand that there were people looking to kill the bastard with the bull helmet.  If it was a matter of the helmet or his life...

[HannibalStark]

and it seems like the gold cloaks were given specific names and places to find each bastard and weren't told to scour Westeros for black haired bastards....so after not finding Gendry at the smiths in the first place, maybe the only description they had was male and bull helmet...I am sure its not the same people that are killing each one and its not like the fact that Roberts bastards all HAVE to have dark hair even comes up or is even discussed...it took Jon Aryn how many years?  and Ned most of the first book/season and he was intentionally looking into Jon's death. (although its funny considering what the actual reason why Jon Aryn was actually killed...)

but as to Lommy..after his constant whining in the books I kinda wasn't that upset he was stabbed in the throat

and I think the thread question was already answered

[boojam]

HouseLancaster, on 21 April 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

It won't be, the whole point of the helmet thing at the end was to close that thread.

Do you think her captives, Hot Pie etc will cotton on to the fact that Ayra is a girl? From the previews, Ayra is still wearing her boy clothes (not a serving girl) and also, (given that she only ever gets 5 minutes an episode) I can't imagine they'll wish to spend dealing with everyones reaction, or explaning that she is a girl...

I was wondering about that. She could keep on wearing the same costume (which I think is great looking) and still be a girl, gonna be hard to hide that at Harrenhal, for obvious reasons.
Lot of the Harrenhal story can be cut down, tho , looks to me , since D&D like Dance so much seems as if Tywin's role there will be expanded, apparently with a confrontation Arya. I don't think Tywin ever knew what Arya looked like.
Funny , in the books, like Gendry the search for Arya got suspended, I think the reason George gave was that at KL they thought she was dead.
Anyway I figure Jaqen H'ghar will play a bigger role with Arya in the teleplays than the book. After all they are going to have to make use of Tom Wlaschiha's contract.

Edited by boojam, 22 April 2012 - 06:10 AM.

[Davos55]

I am definitely alright with more Tywin and Jaqen! Dance is great as Tywin, and Jaqen is excellent in the novel.

I think Arya's storylines will get more time as the season goes on, especially in "The Ghost of Harrenhal".

Edited by Davos55, 22 April 2012 - 09:39 AM.

[HouseLancaster]

Davos55, on 22 April 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

I am definitely alright with more Tywin and Jaqen! Dance is great as Tywin, and Jaqen is excellent in the novel.

I think Arya's storylines will get more time as the season goes on, especially in "The Ghost of Harrenhal".

Yeah maybe. I mean I know Jaqen is a master assassin and everything but I hope it doesn't go too far that way. Arya's interactions with Hot Pie are more fun to watch and by many accounts were a huge saving grace in Episode 2 between all the porn scenes. To be honest, I just want to see as much as possible, her story warrants more screen time than she's currently getting. We don't need to see too much more of Littlefinger or Stanis where it doesn't happen in the books. And whilst we're at it we're not nearly seeing enough of Jon Snow and the wall. As good as the books are for astetics like gore, political discussions, nudity ect - the danger and adventure parts are awesome too!!

Edited by HouseLancaster, 22 April 2012 - 02:00 PM.

[Davos55]

I love all parts of Arya's storyline, and pretty much all of the characters within it. She is such a great character and she definitely deserves and will get more screen time. Hot Pie is amusing, I'll agree with you there!

I am sure they will play the parts with Jaqen well in the series. He is too much of a fan favorite character to mess with too much.

I understand showing more of Stannis because viewers want to know about this new king and all of the new characters. Littlefinger's new scenes are a little controversial, but I still love the character. I also love seeing Jon's journey beyond the wall, and that will definitely pick up when they reach the Fist and Qorin Halfhand.

The books are great in so many regards, especially the adventures and perils, I will agree with you on that! But alas, this is HBO, so you have to expect some added sexual content, for better or worse! An amazing adaptation of the books nonetheless!

[HouseLancaster]

Davos55, on 22 April 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

I love all parts of Arya's storyline, and pretty much all of the characters within it. She is such a great character and she definitely deserves and will get more screen time. Hot Pie is amusing, I'll agree with you there!

I am sure they will play the parts with Jaqen well in the series. He is too much of a fan favorite character to mess with too much.

I understand showing more of Stannis because viewers want to know about this new king and all of the new characters. Littlefinger's new scenes are a little controversial, but I still love the character. I also love seeing Jon's journey beyond the wall, and that will definitely pick up when they reach the Fist and Qorin Halfhand.

The books are great in so many regards, especially the adventures and perils, I will agree with you on that! But alas, this is HBO, so you have to expect some added sexual content, for better or worse! An amazing adaptation of the books nonetheless!

I'll agree with you on that. I think they need to get Jon Snow as a prominant figure again, and quick. Him and Dany, as the main achietype figures, are really the anchors for the series. Tyrion's great, as was Ned, but the thrust and progression of series is alway those 2. It's their story in a sense and I think viewers know that, it'll be good to be able to get behind them again.

I don't mind the sex as much as most, I especially didn't have any problems in season 1 with it. But they're just not quite working this time round - there's like or 3 an episode this year.

[Marjie Eilie Myatt]

I thought I saw Lommy grab the bull-shaped helm when they were first alerted to being attacked.  Gendry wasn't in the room or was asleep or whatever.  Obviously HBO has combined two different attacks, because in the book the young people escape through the tunnel under the burning barn.  Indeed, they are holed up in some abandoned holdfast somewhere, and Amory Lorch's men have to scale the wall; it's the beginning of Lommy's preoccupation with "yielding," isn't it?  It's only later that they are captured, after attempting to transport Lommy, for example, and attempting to sneak into a village to see what's going on.  

For some reason I assumed it was Chiswyck who killed Lommy; wasn't he the first one that Arya charges Jaqen to kill at Harrenhal?  And I didn't remember that their pursuers actually were looking for someone named Gendry in particular. That surprised me.  Everything's blurring together now.  Too much to keep track of.  Just sit back and enjoy the HBO version.

I did like the "yielding" repartee in the book, but there's just no time in the series......

[Davos55]

Wish I was watching the episode right now..hope to watch it real soon! Go Arya!