Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:13 AM
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:36 AM
Oh, yeah, I did read that :facepalm:. She's incredibly clever.
Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:41 AM
Edited by Raidne, 17 April 2012 - 12:41 AM.
Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:54 AM
Posted 17 April 2012 - 01:46 AM
Because for a comedy, it was criminally unfunny.
Posted 17 April 2012 - 01:54 AM
I actually thought it WAS funny.
Posted 17 April 2012 - 03:00 AM
Posted 17 April 2012 - 04:23 AM
(Apologies to Raidne who should not have been reminded, and to dannister who should have never been exposed, and to LoB who is obviously damaged enough to remember this shit mostly unprompted.)
Posted 17 April 2012 - 06:46 AM
Posted 17 April 2012 - 07:00 AM
Apology not accepted. I don't need to be dancing around with my sister lip-synching in stonewashed denim as a third-grader at 8am.
Apologies if this is in any way offensive, and I don't think it is, but people who go into the military tend to be the kind of people who just don't understand why everyone can't just suck it up and get on with it on already. You know, the sort of person that has an eye-roll reflex at hearing the word "existential." I find this to be an excellent trait, am madly jealous of those who have it, and like to befriend these people, but it's totally alien to me. It's not that the rest of us are that self-involved, although I'm sure it looks that way, it's that we have to dig a little deeper to find that kind of motivation. Think of it as sort of a defect.
As for the cultural commentary, I agree with Brady, who I knew would kind of like this show. It is very female though - the male characters aren't very fleshed out at this point. Brady, what did you think about Hannah's parents? What does everyone think about this? I mean, on the one hand, sure, they want to enjoy their retirement and feel flush with some extra cash already, but is it really okay to leave your daughter eating ramen and working at a cafe or something while you live it up in the Hamptons? What is the moral compass on what people owe to their kids in an era where getting a paying job after college can take a year or more and merely earning money instead of taking an experience-building unpaid internship can cost their kids hundreds of thousands of dollars in future earnings?
Posted 17 April 2012 - 07:02 AM
I'm never going to live those lives, nothing close, but then I'm never going to live the lives of the Fishers, the Starks, the Sopranos, or the Carries and Samanthas of the world. But I don't mind watching them, myself. I do live in dread of it turning too referential or cutesy and frivolous, but so long as it has a clear-eyed regard for these young women it's focusing on, I think I'll keep watching.
Posted 17 April 2012 - 07:24 AM
Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:04 AM
On the topic of Entourage I agree with what Raidne said, it is pretty misogynistic and some of it made me cringe, in fact I wasn't particularly keen on any of the characters except Ari Gold, I can't help it, I find the guy hilarious.
Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:25 AM
Edited by Mexal, 17 April 2012 - 08:26 AM.
Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:50 AM
It's an interesting question really, and one I think the show handles pretty deftly. TBH, I came down mostly on the side of the parents in this, however. Partly because the main character was showing no real motivation to get a paying job, but mostly I think it's because my own upbringing just can't gel with this kind of support system: kids being given fifteen hundred or more a month for over a year? WTF?
At some point you have to cut the kid loose, and I think a year is plenty long enough.
But that's not a criticism of the show, it's an attribute. I really appreciated how fully the show treated the problems of this class of young adults in the big city just getting started. It's partly spoiled, partly entitled, partly hypocritical, and deeply affecting, and the show is self-aware enough to realize that those these people do have problems, while at the same time there's a level of bourgeoise hypocrisy/entitlement going on that the characters are halfway aware of, a la the "McDonald's" conversation.
Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:27 AM
I definitely side with Hannah's parents. She needs to be cut off, she is an adult. I think this is partly why I had a hard time watching the pilot, I don't feel bad for her at all. But, I also think that might be the point of the show, you aren't supposed to necessarily feel bad for Hannah, just watch as she struggles to be an adult.
Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:45 AM
Won't be watching again.