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[Lord Littlefinger's Lash]

waaimasjien, on 17 April 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

Yes, I still want a complete list of all subtleties in all books, I'm sure I missed a ton of 'em. There was a similar topic in January, and I seem to remember another one more recently, but can't find it right now.

Overall:
- R+L=J - http://asoiaf.wester.../60327-rlj-v18/

AGOT
- The conspirers in the dungeons are Varys and Illyrio
- Varys' little birds are in fact children (confirmed in ADWD)
- The black one-eyed cat Arya chases is Balerion, Rhaenys' (daughter of Rheagar and Elia) kitten. (In ADWD, it bothers Tommens kittens)

ACOK
- Arstan Whitebeard is Barristan Selmy
- Renly and Loras are lovers - http://asoiaf.wester...oras-and-renly/


ASOS


AFFC
- The gravedigger at the Quiet Island is Sandor Clegane - http://asoiaf.wester...s-dead-isnt-he/
- Pate is Jaquen H'ghar or at the very least, a faceless man - http://asoiaf.wester...icance-of-pate/
- Qyburn is creating unGregor - http://asoiaf.wester...c/58237-qyburn/
- Alleras the Sphinx is Sarella Sand - http://www.towerofth...ant_/index.html
- The coin Pate gets from the alchemist is poisoned, causing his death when he bites it.
- Brienne is a descendant of Ser Duncan the Tall

ADWD
- Abel(=Bael) is Mance Rayder - http://asoiaf.wester...-in-winterfell/
- Manderly baked the three Frey guys into meat pies - http://asoiaf.wester...frey-pie-thing/
- The Green Grace = The Harpy - http://asoiaf.wester...e-is-the-harpy/
- Tyrion kills Nurse with the poisoned mushrooms
- The coin Arya gave the man she was supposed to kill was poisoned, causing his death.
- The Three-eyed-crow is Brynden Rivers aka Bloodraven
- The vision Bran has of a very tall knight kissing a woman in the Godswood was possibly Ser Duncan and some relative that falls between Old Nan and Hodor on the family tree.
- It's possible Jojen Reeds blood was in the weirwood paste Bran ate to become a greenseer. - http://asoiaf.wester...-adwd-spoilers/
- The man taking Tyrion captive is Ser Jorah Mormont.

waaimasjien, on 17 April 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

Yes, I still want a complete list of all subtleties in all books, I'm sure I missed a ton of 'em. There was a similar topic in January, and I seem to remember another one more recently, but can't find it right now.

Overall:
- R+L=J - http://asoiaf.wester.../60327-rlj-v18/

AGOT
- The conspirers in the dungeons are Varys and Illyrio
- Varys' little birds are in fact children (confirmed in ADWD)
- The black one-eyed cat Arya chases is Balerion, Rhaenys' (daughter of Rheagar and Elia) kitten. (In ADWD, it bothers Tommens kittens)

CHILDREN THAT VARYS MURDERS IN ALLOTMENTS OF 50

[IronSuitor]

It's very difficult for me to separate what I realized at the time and what I later realized here or on some other site. I think I missed the Frey-Pies though. Thoroughly punched myself.

[Leviathan I]

dansnow, on 17 April 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

Loras may not have attacked dragonstone
Bran cannibalism
R+L=J
tyrion could be Aerys II's son

Wow haven't heard any of these (except R+L=J obviously) care to elaborate or link me to posts discussing them?

[Prince of the North]

Wyman, on 17 April 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

Maybe I'm an idiot, but when did he glamour himself up as Ser Maynard Plumm. I did read the Mystery Knight, but no where in that novella did I see proof of that.

Ask and ye shall receive

The entire thread is an interesting read, of course, but the stuff about Bloodraven as Maynard Plumm begins on page 7.

[eyomomo]

Wentwarth, on 17 April 2012 - 09:07 AM, said:

Maester Marwyn is the guy who taught Mirri Maz Duur and was buddies with Qyburn
Maggy the Frog is Jeyne's great-grandmother

Do these count?

I got the one about Maggy the Frog, but I totally missed how Maestar Marwyn & MMD & Qyburn are connected. anyone care to explain?

[Winter's Knight]

eyomomo, on 17 April 2012 - 11:01 PM, said:

I got the one about Maggy the Frog, but I totally missed how Maestar Marwyn & MMD & Qyburn are connected. anyone care to explain?

Marwyn taught MMD the maesar's arts of healing.

[eyomomo]

Winterbreath, on 17 April 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

Marwyn taught MMD the maesar's arts of healing.

but how did everyone arrive at this conclusion?

[Apple Martini]

eyeheartsansa, on 17 April 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

Jeyne tells Cat that mother was giving her some kind of concoction to take every day once she married Robb.  Jeyne says/thinks it's for fertility, but is it?

On the flip side, Jeyne's mother tells Jaime that it was a contraceptive. But was it?

DaveSumm, on 17 April 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

What further evidence is revealed to suggest Mel did nothing with the leeches? It's as open to speculation as much as it was when it happened surely?

... The further evidence that we know who was actually responsible for all three deaths. The Freys and Boltons betrayed Robb, Littlefinger and the Tyrells poisoned Joffrey, and Euron hired a Faceless Man to off Balon. Note the distinct lack of Melisandre in all three incidents. She saw the deaths and duped Stannis into thinking she was responsible for them.

Edited by Apple Martini, 17 April 2012 - 11:37 PM.

[Apple Martini]

Leviathan I, on 17 April 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

Wow haven't heard any of these (except R+L=J obviously) care to elaborate or link me to posts discussing them?

1. Rule of thumb is, don't blindly believe anything you haven't seen for yourself. We've only been told about Loras' "condition." We haven't seen it. Until we have, take it with a grain of salt. See also: "Davos Seaworth is dead and his head is totes on a spike at White Harbor."
2. Some people think that Coldhands "sows" he brought were actually human remains, and that the "weirwood paste" that Bran eats in the cave is actually blood (possibly Jojen's though I'm skeptical).
3. Some people think that because of Aerys and Joanna's alleged affair, Tyrion's dragon affinity and the "three heads of the dragon" thing, Tyrion is Aerys' son, not Tywin's. I can see where it came from, but I personally do not subscribe to it.

[FuzzyJAM]

Would we include imagery in this?

Like. . .the idea of rule being difficult consistently being shown physically, i.e. Robb's crown being hard to wear, the Iron Throne being a conscious representation of the fact, Barristan getting Dany cushions in Mereen so she's comfortable at court coinciding with her compromising her stance and seeking an easy peace which doesn't come, etc..

[Apple Martini]

FuzzyJAM, on 17 April 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

Would we include imagery in this?

Like. . .the idea of rule being difficult consistently being shown physically, i.e. Robb's crown being hard to wear, the Iron Throne being a conscious representation of the fact, Barristan getting Dany cushions in Mereen so she's comfortable at court coinciding with her compromising her stance and seeking an easy peace which doesn't come, etc..

I actually hadn't picked up on this facet before, good job.

[Winter's Knight]

eyomomo, on 17 April 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:

but how did everyone arrive at this conclusion?

I'm so sorry for the late reply. MMD says so in GoT:

Quote

Ser Jorah Mormont spoke up. “A maester?”
“Marwyn, he named himself,” the woman replied in the Common Tongue. “From the sea. Beyond the sea. The Seven Lands, he said. Sunset Lands. Where men are iron and dragons rule. He taught me this speech.”
“A maester in Asshai,” Ser Jorah mused. “Tell me, Godswife, what did this Marwyn wear about his neck?”
“A chain so tight it was like to choke him, Iron Lord, with links of many metals.”
The knight looked at Dany. “Only a man trained in the Citadel of Oldtown wears such a chain,” he said, “and such men do know much of healing.”

[Ororo727 Jon Snow Fangirl]

NomadicDirewolf, on 17 April 2012 - 01:25 AM, said:

coldhands isnt benjen by the way, he said he'd been around the way he is for many years, and if he were benjen it would be less than two years

Thank you!

[Exitao]

Tyrion is a chimera. Jaime and Cersei were twins and Tyrion has two different coloured eyes. This usually happens when one twin absorbes another in the womb.

I only realised this on my second read through.

[Nymphetamine]

Twookus Stark, on 17 April 2012 - 02:08 AM, said:

It hasn't been confirmed but i totally missed the whole Euron might have molested Aeron thing. Probably just too gross for me to get the hint,but thanks to whatever sicko first realized that.

Wait.....what?

[atia-]

http://awoiaf.wester...p/Aeron_Greyjoy

Look under history.  It's just a theory.

"Aeron fears his brother Euron for reasons that are not presently clear, though it is hinted that he may have been sexually molested during his childhood. He has recurring memories and nightmares of a door with screeching hinges, which he associates with Euron."

↑ A Feast for Crows, Chapter 1, The Prophet

Edited by dannister, 18 April 2012 - 01:50 AM.

[DaveSumm]

Apple Martini, on 17 April 2012 - 11:33 PM, said:

... The further evidence that we know who was actually responsible for all three deaths. The Freys and Boltons betrayed Robb, Littlefinger and the Tyrells poisoned Joffrey, and Euron hired a Faceless Man to off Balon. Note the distinct lack of Melisandre in all three incidents. She saw the deaths and duped Stannis into thinking she was responsible for them.

But it was never implied that all three deaths would be shadow-esque magic, all clearly attributed to her. I assumed at the time, as I believe Stannis did, that if these deaths happened they would all have other explanations. You could just as easily say that her assertion that the loss of the Blackwater battle was due to her absence is false: it probably is, but there's no evidence either way.

My point is that someone who has finished their fiftieth re-read has as much reason to be sceptical of the leeches as someone who just read the chapter in question: there is nothing that anyone has 'missed'. For what it's worth, I agree. Pretending to have more power than she does to win Stannis's favour sounds like typical Mel behaviour. But I just don't count it as something that could be 'missed'.

[Harle The Handsome]

eyeheartsansa, on 17 April 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

Jeyne tells Cat that mother was giving her some kind of concoction to take every day once she married Robb.  Jeyne says/thinks it's for fertility, but is it?

It is assumed that her mother was giving her moontea, but it isn't known if Jeyne knew what her mother was planning.  There seems to be genuine affection between Jeyne and Robb, so it is thought she may have actually started taking fertility drinks behind her mother's back.

[Harle The Handsome]

After Bran ate the Weirwood paste, he began to have a vision from the weirwood tree in Winterfell.  He saw two children who he thought was himself and Arya, but never personally remembered Arya beating him with play swords.  After the boy gets hurt the girls says "Quiet or Old Nan will hear you."  It is believed that the two children were Eddard and Lyanna.  If Nana was already old when Ned was a child, she has lived an impossibly long life.  Combine this with her very short stature and many believe that Old Nan is actually one of the children of the forest.

[KCenturion]

Harle The Handsome, on 18 April 2012 - 04:34 AM, said:

After Bran ate the Weirwood paste, he began to have a vision from the weirwood tree in Winterfell.  He saw two children who he thought was himself and Arya, but never personally remembered Arya beating him with play swords.  After the boy gets hurt the girls says "Quiet or Old Nan will hear you."  It is believed that the two children were Eddard and Lyanna.  If Nana was already old when Ned was a child, she has lived an impossibly long life.  Combine this with her very short stature and many believe that Old Nan is actually one of the children of the forest.

In Bran's vision, the boy is smaller than the girl and I thought it was clear that it was Lyanna and Benjen playing at swords.

Don't the Children of the Forest have fewer fingers and talon like fingernails aswell as being short and 'old'?