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[eyeheartsansa]

Serie, on 18 April 2012 - 03:55 PM, said:

if this prophecy drives us mad, take a minute to think what it does to Dany.....

maybe that's what the warlocks wanted!

if someone tries to tell me a prophecy I'm just going to close my ears and go lalalalalalalaaa!

Edited by eyeheartsansa, 18 April 2012 - 03:57 PM.

[the Scorpion Knight]

Charles Stuart, on 18 April 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:

I don't think any of them have actually happened yet. Just a hunch of mine.

mee too. and I think they will happen by one person and destroy every hope for dany gaining the throne.
the person doing doing it is Aegon
the one for gold the pardon of jaime
the one for love his betrothal to sansa
the one for blood his halfbrother (we know who) and cousin (arianne) supporting that

[Apple Martini]

Sometimes I think that the "treason for blood" has already happened, with Rhaego's death. But I'm not sure if it actually constitutes treason. Mirri did not swear fealty or loyalty to Dany, as far as I know, nor was she actively responsible for Rhaego's death (Jorah brought her in the tent, right?). I guess you could say that Jorah was responsible, but I don't see how Mirri could commit treason against Dany when there was no explicit fealty there.

I agree that there are numerous ways to read this. Are they treasons that happen to Dany, treasons she observes, treasons she commits, etc.? Have they already happened? There's no indication that she'll be betrayed "only" three times, just that she'll "know" three treasons.

I do think the mounts are literal mounts (a horse, a ship, a dragon, whatever), and not husbands (the silver mount to Drogo is throwing people off, I think).

The more interesting triplet for me is the "fires you must light." The one for life is straightforward — the pyre for the dragons. Perhaps the fire for death is her torching Meereen or something. The nifty one is the last one: a fire to love. Not for love, to love. I'm wondering if it doesn't foreshadow impending Targ pyromania.

Serie, on 18 April 2012 - 03:55 PM, said:

if this prophecy drives us mad, take a minute to think what it does to Dany.....

Seriously, I think this might be the point. These people were trying to kill her. I wouldn't put it past them to try to drive her to paranoia.

Edited by Apple Martini, 18 April 2012 - 04:01 PM.

[Not_a_Lady_Brienne]

The great thing about prophecy in these books is that there are so many ways to read them.  Look how many possibilities everyone came up with for only 3 treasons.  I have a feeling the series might end with it still being up for debate.

[Serie]

Not_a_Lady_Brienne, on 18 April 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:

I have a feeling the series might end with it still being up for debate.

that's my worst nightmare

[The Imp With A Pimp Limp]

Serie, on 18 April 2012 - 04:11 PM, said:

that's my worst nightmare

My worst nightmare is that GRRM dies before finishing the novels
But yeah I actually would be surprised if it's straight up said in the book these are the three treasons

[Apple Martini]

The Imp With A Pimp Limp, on 18 April 2012 - 04:56 PM, said:

But yeah I actually would be surprised if it's straight up said in the book these are the three treasons

I agree, I doubt he'll beat us upside the head with it or spell it out.

[The Imp With A Pimp Limp]

Apple Martini, on 18 April 2012 - 04:59 PM, said:

I agree, I doubt he'll beat us upside the head with it or spell it out.

I'm actually fairly sure they'll either be up for interpretation or it will be in an ssm interview after the release of ADOS

[atia-]

Maybe it's all BS and it'll end up making her mad like her father.

[Terminated]

Besides Jorah, another possible 'love' one that was mentioned here in the past could be Barristan, betraying Dany because of his love for Ashara Dayne/Septa Lemore (if you believe that one, I'm not too enthusiast about it).

Anyway, so many possible things here.  Do you think Dany betrays or is betrayed ?

[Harland Flint]

It is hard to say, given the ambiguous wording. "Treason" could just mean any betrayal, Westeros doesn't have any nation states that the meaning of the word treason typically applies to; just kings and their sworn vassals.
Furthermore, "you will know", could mean she just reads about them in a book, but I doubt it I think Dany's quest will have to be impacted in a meaningful way by these betrayals.
So with that in mind, I posit that only the treason for blood has occurred so far (MMD), and I suspect that the treason for gold will involve Tyrion


**Also I really like Scorpion Knight's Aegon theory (although I think that Aegon is a Blackfrye pretender. Ser Barristan killed Maelys Blackfrye and ended the Blackfrye rebellion. If Maelys was Aegon's real father, Aegon could have Barristan murdered for revenge and massively screw up Dany's plans in the process. However, that relies upon Aegon or his allies knowing that he's really a Blackfyre...)

[Ylva]

ghost the direwolf, on 17 April 2012 - 04:46 PM, said:

I for one do not believe that any of the treason have past yet. but that is just me i may be wrong

I'm at least not sure whether the treason for love has happened yet. I'm not convinced that Ser Jorah was the treason for love presicely because it says 'for love', which to me sounds like someone will betray her because s/he loves someone else. (Unless, of course, you argue that Ser Jorah informed on her for the love of his home, that would make sense).

What also makes me inclined to thin the treason for love hasn't yet happend is the fact that Dany is so convinced that it has happened. (Whenever someone is really sure of something, GRRM seems to turn it around on them...)

[Toth]

Straight forward something I was thinking since the first time reading the House of Undying:

The dragon has three heads - I always interpreted that AA is splitted into three different persons, who are destined to save the day. In combination with the repetetive number three, I also think that the treason is splitted too:

Once for love: Jon strongly believes that his love for Ygritte was betrayal to the Night's Watch.
Once for blood: I think this one is Dany's. But I don't know if she truly believes that the death of Drogo, Rhaego or even MMD are her fault (which they are), but probably somewhen she realizes this. Or that she betrayed the slavers to get an army (war = blood). Or she will obtain Victarions dragon horn and force him to blow it (bloodmagic, again)
Once for gold: Aegon will probably betray the commander of the Golden Company to claim its command. Or, if you are a fan of Tyrion as a Targ: Tysha and the golden coin, absolutely...


I must only think about the other ones...
Three fires must you light. Drogos funeral, of course. And Tyrion's burning of the Blackwater. Did Jon burned Ygritte? I have no clue. Or a nightfire? But that's Mel's part...
Three mounts must you ride. To bed is Drogo. The other two could hint at the destiny of the dragons. The one to dread will most likely die, the one to love will survive. Or that has something to do with Jon warging Ghost as some kind of mental mounting (Varamyr spoke always of that).

Edited by Toth, 08 November 2012 - 12:46 PM.

[The Maiden Fair]

Toth, on 03 November 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

Straight forward something I was thinking since the first time reading the House of Undying:

The dragon has three heads - I always interpreted that AA is splitted into three different persons, who are destined to save the day. In combination with the repetetive number three, I also think that the treason is splitted too:

Once for love: Jon strongly believes that his love for Ygritte was betrayal to the Night's Watch.
Once for blood: I think this one is Dany's. But I don't know if she truly believes that the death of Drogo, Rhaego or even MMD are her fault (which they are), but probably somewhen she realizes this. Or that she betrayed the slavers to get an army (war = blood). Or she will obtain Victarions dragon horn and force him to blow it (bloodmagic, again)
Once for gold: Aegon will probably betray the commander of the Golden Company to claim its command. Or, if you are a fan of Tyrion as a Targ: Tysha and the golden coin, absolutely...

Very interesting thought
I haven't heard of that theory yet but it could be true especially since the propheciy is rather vague and prophecies in general are not really meant literally. So the "you" could actually refer the three heads of the dragons and not only Dany. Now that opens up even more possibilities for what the treasons, mounts and fires could be.

Edited by The Maiden Fair, 03 November 2012 - 12:13 PM.