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[BoX]

Was anybody else really upset about how the show handled the big fight with Yoren's group and and the Lannister soldiers. I understand budget/time limitations, but it really bothered me that they condensed and changed SO much (almost everything). On the show, once everybody is captured they announce that they are going to Harrenhall. If you're familiar, Arya and her small group escape and later get caught. And during THIS capture, a bunch of villagers are tortured by The Tickler.  During this, is when she starts to hate The Tickler and The Mountain's men. I'm probably being premature on this, they (the show) may decide to have the scenes in their own way. Anyway I've just not been very impressed with season 2, I loved season 1.

[Nymeria101]

Yeah, I noticed that too...Well, I guess they decided to skip the scenes of Arya, Gendry and others escaping because they thought they were unnecessary and a waste of time. But since It doesn't affect the story, it doesn't really matter. Maybe Arya will start hating the Tickler on their way to Harrenhall... I don't know.
But I agree with you...Season 1 was better.

Edited by Nymeria101, 18 April 2012 - 05:07 AM.

[strifed169]

If they plan to condense the entire clash of kings into 10 episodes than this was completely necessary and very well done imo

[Harle The Handsome]

strifed169, on 18 April 2012 - 05:17 AM, said:

If they plan to condense the entire clash of kings into 10 episodes than this was completely necessary and very well done imo

I think they did the series a disservice by not extending it to a 12 episode season.

[Mulled Wino]

I think it was a brilliant move.  There's not time in a 10 ep series to show Arya and co meandering around and getting caught by the Clegane's men. Harranhal with Clegane, Weese, Bloody Mummers, and Hagar is going to make for waaaaay better tv.  

I think this season is going to end up better.  Last week's episode was hetter than any of the first 3 of Go
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[jugdesh258]

Except for the fact that Lommy forgot to say "I yield" before getting it in the throat, I think they did a good job condensing the storyline.

It is not just for timing.  Alot in the chapters is self-reflection, pontificating on the past, and POV actually recaping events that other non-pov characters have done to move along the story,  That don't work on screen

[lightbringer333]

one of the main problem with the season 2 is it is based on clash of kings and in which there are so many events that took place in short time. and so many kings are emerging from all direction and so many twist and turns. u cant blame the production team of this show. they will have to compromise with the quality of show if they planned it to make it of 10 episodes.
i agree that season 1 was much better in depth and quality and characters.
i will give season 1 as 9.5/10 and was almost perfect.  and season 2 as 8.5/10 just more than good.

[The Monkey]

The only necessary element on the trip to Harrenhall after Yoren was killed was the torture scene, and in the previews for next week, we see Arya being present in such a scene. Plus, The Tickler has been cast so we will definitely see him. They have probably just moved the torture scene to Harrenhall, or during the journey there.

[The Unborn]

Wow you guys are lucky. I can only rate 3 episodes so far as I haven't seen the whole season yet...

I don't understand why people were a bit upset about that scene. If they werent captured yet, you would need one more episode where theyre running away. 10 episode is short enough, we dont need to see them run away for another episode. If they can merge some events into Harrenhal then its all good.

[Sadie Stark]

I think that is the main thing, I think that they should have extended the series by a few episodes, that way they don't have to squash everything into 10 episodes. For a book as big as aCoK I would have thought 12 episodes would be pushing it, I understand there may be budgetary limits, but taking it as far as they can benefits us, the viewers, who are sat there going, why-why-why have they done that.
I think my biggest regret so far is reading the books because I'm getting wound up at the way they've handled a few things.

[Sphinx The Riddle]

Harle The Handsome, on 18 April 2012 - 05:29 AM, said:

I think they did the series a disservice by not extending it to a 12 episode season.

that is out of the question with there year round schedule.. drop it, move on

[Mulled Wino]

The Unborn, on 18 April 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:

Wow you guys are lucky. I can only rate 3 episodes so far as I haven't seen the whole season yet...

I don't understand why people were a bit upset about that scene. If they werent captured yet, you would need one more episode where theyre running away. 10 episode is short enough, we dont need to see them run away for another episode. If they can merge some events into Harrenhal then its all good.

I agree.  Wish I was jojen and knew how the tv series was going to play out so I can rank it vs a full first season.

[_Oberyn_]

Ive been upset by alot less but this was a good change imo. It was a nicely done shift of story that made sense for a change unlike most other deviations that seem to be random and pointless.

I think there is a small "mishap" right at the end. A second before Arya has her lightbulb moment there is a horse whinny in the background that makes Arya look like she is reacring to the sound rather then haveing an idea.

[sarah.jenice]

I understand why they had to condense it so we can get to Harrenhall faster. I figured they would eliminate Arya and co. on the run when she told Gendry her true identity in Episode 2.

Yes, the scene was a bit short, and with them cutting Arya on the run, I wish they would have at least let them fight a little longer with Hot Pie yelling, "Hot Pie!"

I'm just trying to love the show as it is and not worry if it isn't an exact recreation of the books. I think they are really trying hard to hit the major plot points, and that makes me happy.

[Harle The Handsome]

Sphinx The Riddle, on 18 April 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

that is out of the question with there year round schedule.. drop it, move on

That sounds like arbitrary and capricious reasoning.  Two more hours of filming isn't much, considering they are already on location.

[ManyFacedOne]

I thought it was a good way to condense the material. Arya scenes with Yoren, when she's wiping down Needle, and the scenes outside were my favorite of the episode.

[Mr Motte]

I didn't mind it. They have to condense the book a lot, and Arya and co. escaping sounds like something they dont really need to do.

[Tadco26]

Harle The Handsome, on 18 April 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

That sounds like arbitrary and capricious reasoning.  Two more hours of filming isn't much, considering they are already on location.

To be fair, it takes alot more than 2 hours of filming to get two one hour finished episodes.  I agree that the season would be much better served with 12 episodes, and many parts feel rushed, which just makes any original scenes they add that are not spectacular, feel like wastes of time to me.  But at the same time it would be a major misconception to imply they filmed the 10 hour season in 10 hours.  Two more episodes would require a significant increase in time and money to do unfortunately.

[Envie]

Tadco26, on 18 April 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

To be fair, it takes alot more than 2 hours of filming to get two one hour finished episodes.  I agree that the season would be much better served with 12 episodes, and many parts feel rushed, which just makes any original scenes they add that are not spectacular, feel like wastes of time to me.  But at the same time it would be a major misconception to imply they filmed the 10 hour season in 10 hours.  Two more episodes would require a significant increase in time and money to do unfortunately.

This.

Some people are really taking the immense amount of time, money and effort that filming these episodes actually takes. It takes weeks of filming to create one high value hour of filming. You do realize that many 2 hour theater movies take months and months to do, right?

I'm with others who were fine with the change for brevity sake. The way they changed it works and still keeps the story basically moving in the right direction.

[Isabella Stark]

I liked this change.  As much as I love the books, I find all the wandering-around-the-Riverlands tedious. If HBO condences the wandering, IMHO it'll be an improvement.  As others have noted, the torture scene can take place at Harrenhall.