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Theon - The Prince who was Promised?


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#1 Boromir-Bloodstorm

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:33 PM

It just came to me as an idea. It might be a bit of a WTF moment, Thought I'd see what other people thought.

Theon is a still developing character., He has yet to find his place in this world. Last we've seen, he was with Stannis. Stannis will most likely keep him alive and restore his mental health, since Stannis needs him and his claim.

Victarion no longer respects Euron, and when he returns there will likely be a war. Victarion may or may not have dragons with him depending on his Red Priest and what he's up to. Who knows? But it seems likely to me Victarion WILL return. Following Martins trajectory, he is a pivitol character in Euron, Theons and Damphairs story. So I'm sure Pyke will be burning.

Damphair and Asha now claim that the Kingsmoot lacks legitimacy because the best claimant, Theon, was absent. Thus they seem to line up to want Theon as King as a last resort in order to oust Euron.

Victarion has expressed many times as he is a second son, a man taught to follow. He likes to be led, instructed. It is unlikely he will reject Theon due to this. He will prefer Theon over Euron and side with Theon due to the bad blood between Euron and Victarion over his dead salt wife.

But Damphair will not allow a godless man to sit the sea stone chair. And Theon has spent too long in the green lands. Only one thing will convince Damphair that Theon is worthy -

The theory is, Pyke will be a bloody battle between Euron Vs. Theon, Damphair and Victarion. Fire on water as long ships are burnt - salt and smoke. Damphair will then drown Theon and Theon will thus be born again amidst smoke and salt - the smouldering ruins of the battle in the bay right before he is crowned King.

The trajectory seems to align, as Theon would finnally realize his place in the world and identity - who is Theon? He's a kraken, but a northerner and loved the Starks. What would Theon do? He'd destroy half of the Seven Kingdoms, that's what. He'd destory Bolton and the Bastard and reclaim Winterfell for the Starks. Sack Kings Landing and exact justice for Ned. And destory Highgarden because they stand with the Lannisters.

He'd sack Kings Landing and Highgarden himself with his Iron Fleet. The only question is, what happens to Stannis after Theon is sent back to the Islands? To take the north, Theon needs northmen. This makes me think it may actually be the Wildlings and Jon Snow he ends up fighting alongside rather than Stannis.

Anyway, so this is all a huge twist. The only thing that really leads it to be probable is the ritual of drowning by Damphair under the pretext of a war in the bays of Pyke. Along with the trajectory of Theon eventually finding out his true identity and what that will mean for him and others (my guiess is simply FURY).

Though Theon sitting the Iron Throne seems hard. And the Prince who was Promised must needs sit the Iron Throne?

Another thing is that born amidts smoke and salt - who else can it be? Obviously Dany. But many fans would rather kill themselves than see that. So a loy of people say Jon - but we've got no story on his birth and concrete salt and smoke stuffs. The only other option seems as I suggest, but it has yet to happen.

What do you think?

Edited by Boromir-Bloodstorm, 17 April 2012 - 10:36 PM.


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:36 PM

Could be and it would be great if it was true. However without some magical healing I'm not sure he'll be in a physical condition for it; having lost some fingers, broken teeth, aged primaturely and so on.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:40 PM

He'll manage. I don't think the Prince who was Promised necessarily needs to slay undead Clegane in single combat himself. I mean, could Dany? No. Only Jon MIGHT be able to. I imagine the position is as a commander.

Theons aging is a mental condition. He may have shaved years off his life, but he will no doubt find his fire again/.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:42 PM

To the OP :ack: .  IMO Theon and his Iron Islands king's blood have a date with Mel and R'hllor :o

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:42 PM

View PostBoromir-Bloodstorm, on 17 April 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

Theons aging is a mental condition. He may have shaved years off his life, but he will no doubt find his fire again/.

Really? I thought it was a physical aging as well and that was why Asha didn't recognize him.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:48 PM

Yes physical. But it is caused mentally. Don't you know anything?

Like, some stress ages people quickly. But you can recover. Like an alcholoic ages quickly, but when they give up the drink their skin will feel better, their hair will be smoother, they will feel healthier and more active. This is what I mean - Theon has been fucked, yes, but if he is mentally healed then he will physically become strong again. Maybe he'll never be SuperTheon, but he'll get better.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:50 PM

View PostHowling4Reed, on 17 April 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

To the OP :ack: .  IMO Theon and his Iron Islands king's blood have a date with Mel and R'hllor :o
I take it you mean Stannis is collecting Kings so he can make Mel wet between the legs next time they meet and have a big bon fire? Let's hope not...

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:50 PM

It isnt the worst theory I have heard. It could have some validity, but it will be tough with Theon in as bad a shape, physically, as he is.

I'm all for it, just as long as it isnt Jon Snow.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:51 PM

So long as The Promised is not Jon? Why? He'd be better than Dany...

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:51 PM

View PostBoromir-Bloodstorm, on 17 April 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

Yes physical. But it is caused mentally. Don't you know anything?

Like, some stress ages people quickly. But you can recover. Like an alcholoic ages quickly, but when they give up the drink their skin will feel better, their hair will be smoother, they will feel healthier and more active. This is what I mean - Theon has been fucked, yes, but if he is mentally healed then he will physically become strong again. Maybe he'll never be SuperTheon, but he'll get better.

Yes I know about this. BUT I thought you were arguing that it was only a mental aging and not a physical one as well.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:53 PM

Gods blood...

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:55 PM

What about Nissa Nissa-or is that exclusive to AA?

I like this theory, bring it!

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:59 PM

View PostBoromir-Bloodstorm, on 17 April 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

So long as The Promised is not Jon? Why? He'd be better than Dany...

I could get into a long post here, but i had a thread recently discussing why I dont want it to be him, and I dont want to derail the thread.

Besides, I am hoping that Jon joins the Others... or better yet, that the Others join him.

I also want him to remain a Stark.

Edited by chris999, 17 April 2012 - 11:01 PM.


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:01 PM

I dunno. Maybe he grabs Longclaw from Jon when he meets up with him and Mel, and Damphair is there egging him on, and he thrusts Longclaw into Mel because she disses the Drowned God and thus Longclaw absorbs her power and becomes Longtentacle.

These things are impossible to predict.

Edited by Boromir-Bloodstorm, 17 April 2012 - 11:09 PM.


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:15 PM

ADWD narrowed down the prophecy for us.

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"Why did they wed if they did not love each other? Your grandsire commanded it. A woods witch had told him that the prince was promised would be born of their line." "A woods witch?" Dany was astonished. "She came to court with Jenny of Oldstones. A stunted thing, grotesque to look upon. A dwarf, most people said, though dear to Lady Jenny, who always claimed that she was one of the children of the forest. " "What became of her?" "Summerhal."

The Ghost of High Heart has never been wrong in the story.


There's still a possibility that AA is a different prophecy referring to someone else and may not be just one person. Or the Last Hero may be someone else but it's unclear if that is just a tale or if we should expect a reincarnation of sorts.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:16 PM

The Northmen have no respect for Theon, and would not rally behind him. He is responsible for the burning of Winterfell and as far as the north knows, the deaths of Bran and Rickon. He would be a turncloak twice over.
  Theon may get the iron islands by some strange chance but nothing more, he's too foolish, impulsive and damaged.

Edited by The Greenseer, 17 April 2012 - 11:21 PM.


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:29 PM

What dragons out of stone is Theon awakening?

For real though, the only redemption Theon can get as a role is some sort of honorable death.  There is no coming back for him after the betrayal and Ramsay's ordeal.  Do you really want the prince that was promised to be a tormented, depressed, and possibly castrated, shadow of a man?

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:33 PM

View PostEgoistMusketeer, on 17 April 2012 - 11:29 PM, said:

What dragons out of stone is Theon awakening?

For real though, the only redemption Theon can get as a role is some sort of honorable death.  There is no coming back for him after the betrayal and Ramsay's ordeal.  Do you really want the prince that was promised to be a tormented, depressed, and possibly castrated, shadow of a man?

Wait, what betrayal? He returned to his family to turn on his captors cannot possibly be counted as a betrayal. It would be like counting hostages witnessing against their kidnappers as betrayal.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:40 PM

View PostGurkhal, on 17 April 2012 - 11:33 PM, said:

Wait, what betrayal? He returned to his family to turn on his captors cannot possibly be counted as a betrayal. It would be like counting hostages witnessing against their kidnappers as betrayal.

Family dilemmas aside, Theon also pledged fealty and allegiance to the King in the North, fought in the northern army and was sent as an ambassador on Robb's behalf.  He then proceeded to desert his army, his king, and his duty.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:44 PM

View PostEgoistMusketeer, on 17 April 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:

Family dilemmas aside, Theon also pledged fealty and allegiance to the King in the North, fought in the northern army and was sent as an ambassador on Robb's behalf.  He then proceeded to desert his army, his king, and his duty.

A captive can't reasonably be held accountable for broken oaths or promoses to the captor made during the period as a prisoner.