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[Ice Turtle]

More Melisandre in AdwD otherwise only POV's we dont have - especially Tyrells! Loras in AGoT and ACoK, Margery or Loras later. Hell it wouldn't even tell us a lot about Tyrell machinations, I doubt Olena trusted him that much.

Och and Sandor in ASoS.  

Side note. I actually like Areo he is a simple man that lives only trough his duty and doesn't make any fuss about it, I like his relationship with Doran and I hope he will be around for some time. Aeron can die as soon as he wishes as long as it is soon.

[The Monkey]

hombay, on 20 April 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

I want Gregor Clegane as a POV.
A prologue POV.

"The kitchen whore deserves a good raping, Gregor though. "Strange how people object so much to rape, when the women themselves don't seem to protest after I've bashed their skulls in."

[Dacie]

Jon is my favorite character, so obviously more of him. I also find Jaime, Davos, Bran, Asha, Theon entertaining, and could do with more of them.

I would like less of Dany, Arianne or really anything in Dorne (just not that interested), Tyrion in ADWD, and the other Ironborn.

Would also love an insight to the Martell POV.

[Dr. Pepper]

I would like a smallfolk or wildling POV.  More Davos.

Less Dany in Meereen, I could have done without all of the Dorne POVs, one would have been fine.

[Hour of the Wolf]

Jaqen H'gahr, a man thinks he deserves his own POV.

But seriously, I could always do with more Davos POVs.  Theon is gold now, where Tyrion is on the decline.

Mance would be great to have, or one of the sand snakes.

[MrSnowBasterdofTheNorth]

Hour of the Wolf, on 20 April 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

Jaqen H'gahr, a man thinks he deserves his own POV.

But seriously, I could always do with more Davos POVs.  Theon is gold now, where Tyrion is on the decline.

Mance would be great to have, or one of the sand snakes.

You are not the first person to state the want for Mance to have a POV, do you think he knows too much about certain things to give his opinion and don't you think it would have ruined the scene in ADWD?  And lots of people have stated express in Davos POV's, what about him makes you want more?  I agree with having more Davos for sure though!

[The Third Reed]

I actually really liked the lack of a Stark army POV in ACOK. I like the whole Greek Tragedy "offstage action" angle GRRM uses sometimes. I also imagine the RW would have been even more of a traumatic read if we had gotten to know Robb and his entourage even better.

As for extra POV's, I would like to see/have seen one or two of the following.

1. A sand snake POV. Perhaps in AFFC, an insight into the mind of Obara or Nymeria would have helped establish the extent of Dornish hate for Lannisters/Tyrells and their love for their father.

2. An Osha pov in ACOK. I think it would be interesting to view Winterfell and Bran's talk of visions through the eyes of someone still adapting to a "civilised" world.

3. Continuing with the Bran/Northern aspects, a Meera Reed POV would be most welcome. Though I guess that could reveal what happened at the TOJ too early.

[MrSnowBasterdofTheNorth]

The Third Reed, on 21 April 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

I actually really liked the lack of a Stark army POV in ACOK. I like the whole Greek Tragedy "offstage action" angle GRRM uses sometimes. I also imagine the RW would have been even more of a traumatic read if we had gotten to know Robb and his entourage even better.

As for extra POV's, I would like to see/have seen one or two of the following.

1. A sand snake POV. Perhaps in AFFC, an insight into the mind of Obara or Nymeria would have helped establish the extent of Dornish hate for Lannisters/Tyrells and their love for their father.

2. An Osha pov in ACOK. I think it would be interesting to view Winterfell and Bran's talk of visions through the eyes of someone still adapting to a "civilised" world.

3. Continuing with the Bran/Northern aspects, a Meera Reed POV would be most welcome. Though I guess that could reveal what happened at the TOJ too early.

Very Interesting.  Anybody you would like to have seen less of?

[Crown]

Game of Thrones was perfectly handled chapter-wise, enough of all characters. Clash of Kings should have had more Davos, other than that it was great. Storm of Swords, same comment as on Game of Thrones. Feast for Crows needed more Sam and more Dorne chapters, loved them. Dance with Dragons should've had less Dany and Tyrion, and more Bran and Jaime.

[Silver Spearwife]

Definitely more Bran in Dance. He did basically nothing for a book and a half, had some action for the second part of Clash, spent the entirety of Storm crossing the Wall, disappeared entirely in Feast save for a passing mention by Sam and Jon, and then finally, finally, finally all of that foreshadowing and build up starts to pay off as his story becomes exciting and interesting and...cliffhanger.

Less Jon, Dany, and Tyrion in Dance as well. Not because I don't want to hear from them, but because a lot of it was padding. There was just so much from them. Same with Cersei in Feast.

I also wouldn't have minded less of those extraneous POVs. They felt a little random and as if they were breaking the pattern from the previous books.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I want a Gendry POV. Fewer of those extra narrators in Feast along with a little less from Cersei would have given some room to learn more about Stoneheart, who I was totally excited about after reading Storm.

[Howling Mad]

Beric Dondarrion with the BwB in the Riverlands would have been a great POV read.

An Other as a prologue or epilouge POV would be marvelous.

[The Last Direwolf]

I wanted more of Sansa in AFFC. The majority of the book was spent with Jaime and Brienne who, to be perfectly honest, didn't do an awful lot in terms of plot advancement (Jaime won a siege that would have been won without his help and Brienne just rode around the Crownlands for six hundred pages), whereas Sansa was being put into a position of huge power over Westeros's future. More of Arianne Martell would have been good too.

I would like to cut all the ironborn chapters out of every post-ACOK book in the series. They're very boring and a little bit of a waste of time, especially Asha.

I want a Tyrell POV! Margaery, Loras, or even Olenna - I don't care, it would just be nice to get behind the scenes at Highgarden and see what's really going on there, where their loyalties will be placed in the Lannister/Targaryen conflict, etc. I also think Doran Martell would be any interesting POV, much more interesting than the dull wooden character of Areo Hotah to narrate the events in Dorne. A wildling POV is also needed, Val, anyone?

[MrSnowBasterdofTheNorth]

The Last Direwolf, on 21 April 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

I wanted more of Sansa in AFFC. The majority of the book was spent with Jaime and Brienne who, to be perfectly honest, didn't do an awful lot in terms of plot advancement (Jaime won a siege that would have been won without his help and Brienne just rode around the Crownlands for six hundred pages), whereas Sansa was being put into a position of huge power over Westeros's future. More of Arianne Martell would have been good too.

I would like to cut all the ironborn chapters out of every post-ACOK book in the series. They're very boring and a little bit of a waste of time, especially Asha.

I want a Tyrell POV! Margaery, Loras, or even Olenna - I don't care, it would just be nice to get behind the scenes at Highgarden and see what's really going on there, where their loyalties will be placed in the Lannister/Targaryen conflict, etc. I also think Doran Martell would be any interesting POV, much more interesting than the dull wooden character of Areo Hotah to narrate the events in Dorne. A wildling POV is also needed, Val, anyone?

You don't think that a Tyrell POV would give too much away?  Also same thing with Val, I mean she must have been informed by Stannis what is going on, don't you think?

[Chelly]

The Last Direwolf, on 21 April 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

I wanted more of Sansa in AFFC. The majority of the book was spent with Jaime and Brienne who, to be perfectly honest, didn't do an awful lot in terms of plot advancement (Jaime won a siege that would have been won without his help and Brienne just rode around the Crownlands for six hundred pages), whereas Sansa was being put into a position of huge power over Westeros's future. More of Arianne Martell would have been good too.

Yeah, I would have like more Sansa in AFfC, especially considering how little of her there was in ADwD. I would have wanted more of Arianne Martell, as well. I think Areo wasn't a good pov to introduce us to Dorne, I would have much preferred Doran or Arianne. Doran's plans are still very much a mystery, so I can see why he wouldn't be a pov, yet. TBH, the ironborn were my favorite part of AFfC, so I would have liked more ironborn chapters, more Victarian and Damphair,

I would have liked less Cersei, some of her chapters were good, but she was hardly my fav pov and I found most of the KL stuff in the beginning to be sort boring until her imprisonement. Maybe A Cersei chapter could have been cut for a Tyrell, so we have an idea of what their game is, but I honestly don't care about them. I'm sure Cersei is far more interesting than any Tyrell.

In ADwD, I would also have wanted maybe a Jorah one I have a hard time sympathizing with him as a character and I think a pov might help me like him better(or maybe solidify my dislike for the character), either way, I wouldn't mind some Jorah insight. I think Victarion needed more chapters, too. He's a bit of a guilty pleasure of mine and I can't help but get a kick out of this horrible man.

I wish there wasn't that stupid Mel pov chapter. I didn't like it, yeah, we got some info out of it, but I don't like her and her pov made her less interesting than she would be as non pov. Much like how people feel about Damphair povs, I feel that way about the Mel pov. I hope there aren't anymore. In fact, I wish the Mel pov was replaced by a Damphair pov because I wanted to know what he's been up to since the Kingsmoot.

[The Last Direwolf]

MrSnowBasterdofTheNorth, on 21 April 2012 - 03:38 PM, said:

You don't think that a Tyrell POV would give too much away?  Also same thing with Val, I mean she must have been informed by Stannis what is going on, don't you think?

Doesn't the same apply to Martell POVs? And I find it annoying how every other Great House in a position of power (Stark, Lannister, Martell, Targaryen, Greyjoy, etc) gets a POV, but the Tyrells the house that has arguably the most power out of the lot of them has none.

[The Last Direwolf]

Chelly, on 21 April 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

Yeah, I would have like more Sansa in AFfC, especially considering how little of her there was in ADwD. I would have wanted more of Arianne Martell, as well. I think Areo wasn't a good pov to introduce us to Dorne, I would have much preferred Doran or Arianne. Doran's plans are still very much a mystery, so I can see why he wouldn't be a pov, yet. TBH, the ironborn were my favorite part of AFfC, so I would have liked more ironborn chapters, more Victarian and Damphair,

I would have liked less Cersei, some of her chapters were good, but she was hardly my fav pov and I found most of the KL stuff in the beginning to be sort boring until her imprisonement. Maybe A Cersei chapter could have been cut for a Tyrell, so we have an idea of what their game is, but I honestly don't care about them. I'm sure Cersei is far more interesting than any Tyrell.

In ADwD, I would also have wanted maybe a Jorah one I have a hard time sympathizing with him as a character and I think a pov might help me like him better(or maybe solidify my dislike for the character), either way, I wouldn't mind some Jorah insight. I think Victarion needed more chapters, too. He's a bit of a guilty pleasure of mine and I can't help but get a kick out of this horrible man.

I wish there wasn't that stupid Mel pov chapter. I didn't like it, yeah, we got some info out of it, but I don't like her and her pov made her less interesting than she would be as non pov. Much like how people feel about Damphair povs, I feel that way about the Mel pov. I hope there aren't anymore. In fact, I wish the Mel pov was replaced by a Damphair pov because I wanted to know what he's been up to since the Kingsmoot.

I agree with most of what you've said, but I think the Melisandre chapter was very helpful in terms of understanding her character more. Before she's just mysterious and no one really knew whether she was good, evil, or just out for her own gains. The chapters helped to ascertain that she is truly what she says she is, and is dedicated to fighting the Others. Her visions from R'hllor also made it clear that Jon is AA reborn - her asking R'hllor for visions of AA, and being frustrated when He only showed her Jon Snow proved it to me.

[Dornish Bannerman]

Willas as a POV who could have an overview of the whole word. It would be interesting and give a pretty neutral look to the world.

Especially in ADwD Daenerys has way to many chapters, would be better spent on Davos, Quentyn or Connington, she does only have boring uninteresting chapters. Apart from some of course.

Tyrion has a couple of rather unneeded chapters too.

In AFfC Brienne has way to many chapters. All but the last two, are completely boring.

Also anything from Dorne would be welcome, or Dornish.

[The Third Reed]

MrSnowBasterdofTheNorth, on 21 April 2012 - 11:47 AM, said:

Very Interesting.  Anybody you would like to have seen less of?

Thank you.

Well I always felt (and I think I heard GRRM agree somewhere) that the Arys Oakheart didn't really serve a higher purpose, I could have gone without that. The poster above also highlights the issues regarding the number of Jaime and Brienne chapters in AFFC.

Likewise I think that both Tyrion and Daenerys and Barristan could all have had two chapters each removed in ADWD without their stories being affected negatively. I also felt that Jaime's ADWD POV wasn't really needed, and that it would have been a much more dramatic entrance for Victarion if he was missing from the whole of ADWD, and we were only introduced back to him again via another POV character hearing the horn during the battle from Meereen. I would still have him as a POV, but only after having been skipped for ADWD.

[Ball Drogo]

I can't wait for more Damphair POVs, seeing Euron through his perspective is just awesome and makes him see even more maniacal.  Wish we had more of Davos, Arya, Bran and even Jon Connington in ADWD.  I also hope that Barristan continues to have some chapters as well.

It's hard to imagine cutting anyone, minus maybe Aerys Oakheart because the system is so delicate and precise that removing one chapter takes away so much information.  Even though some of the characters bore me to death it is all purposeful.  I'm also curious to see if Mellisandre's POV was just a one time thing or if she will have more in TWOW.  If we are arguing that LF and Varys POVs are withheld from us because they know too much, it leads me to believe that Mellisandre is most likely misguided, should be very interesting to find out.

[Prince of Dragonstone]

More Bran in ADwD would have been nice. But I guess the chapters he did have established a fair amount of curiosity for what's coming next in his storyline.

I used to really want a Varys or Littlefinger POV but now I think some characters are best viewed through other POV's eyes because it adds a bit of mystique and allure to them.