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[Nicolas]

Ok, so from the topic title you can probably guess what this topic is about... There are three dragons, so when the final battles are taking place in the last two books, who will the three riders be?  For me it seems pretty obvious (almost from the first two books) but I just wanted to see if everyone else thought the same way...
Below are the three people I believe will ride the drgaons and a brief reason why.

Daenerys - for reasons I need not mention (and she is alredy riding one).

Tyrion - He was always interested in Dragons and apparently he has a drop of Targaryen blood in him so the dragons might like him as much as they liked Brown Ben Plum.  He needs to make a massive/memorable impact of Westeros, what better way than to fly in on a Dragon and save the day (with Daenerys by his side obviously).

Bran - I knew he would be one of the ones to fly a dragon from one of his chapters back in the 2nd or 3rd books when the chapter finishes with him saying "... I want to fly".  I have picked up a load of other hints (or I see them as hints atleast).

To me it just makes sense.  For two people who have had the most miserable of times over the course of the series (well maybe Arya has had a harder time but she's tough enough without a dragon) it just makes sense for them to be major players at the very end.

What do you guys think?

[Pellaeon]

Dany-Drogon
Aegon-Rhaegon
Tyrion-Viserion
Bran alredy has a animal companion-Summer

[NomadicDirewolf]

to me, the three most likely candidates seem to be  
Dany
Aegon
Jon-If R+L=J is true, which seems likely

[Serie]

there's been some argumentation (more or less) on this, for example:

http://asoiaf.wester...-three-dragons/
http://asoiaf.wester...-dragon-riders/

for me, the more I talk about it the more confused I get...

[Stoned Dragon]

Howdy,

Dragon 1: Dany - Obviously is going to be one of the three heads -- I doubt she is the lead though, I think she just got her dragon early
Dragon 2: Jon -  If R+L=J, then I think he's obviously getting a dragon since he knows the North well enough to fight the others
Dragon 3: Bloodraven.

In my mind, Bloodraven makes the best choice to warg a dragon / be the third dragon head. Here is a Targaryan older than Aemon and a deep loyalty to the legitimate Targs (he chose Targs of Blackfyres and was a kinslayer because of it -- not to mention being hand for years). Obviously if Dany ever gets it together and heads back to Westeros he isn't going to let his last bit of family languish without help. He is also an actual, known Targ. Jon is still speculation, Aegon might be fake, and while Tyrion is my favorite character I don't think he's a secret Targ (or a head of any dragon). Bloodraven is a source of skills necessary to tame the dragons, and he isn't P.O.V. which means GRRM doesn't have to worry about him knowing too much and sharing with the reader - or explaining in too much depth how magic works in Westeros. Bloodraven also has a POV character (Bran) nearby to record and report what he sees to the reader.

[Serie]

Stoned Dragon, on 22 April 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Howdy,

Dragon 1: Dany - Obviously is going to be one of the three heads -- I doubt she is the lead though, I think she just got her dragon early
Dragon 2: Jon -  If R+L=J, then I think he's obviously getting a dragon since he knows the North well enough to fight the others
Dragon 3: Bloodraven.

In my mind, Bloodraven makes the best choice to warg a dragon / be the third dragon head. Here is a Targaryan older than Aemon and a deep loyalty to the legitimate Targs (he chose Targs of Blackfyres and was a kinslayer because of it -- not to mention being hand for years). Obviously if Dany ever gets it together and heads back to Westeros he isn't going to let his last bit of family languish without help. He is also an actual, known Targ. Jon is still speculation, Aegon might be fake, and while Tyrion is my favorite character I don't think he's a secret Targ (or a head of any dragon). Bloodraven is a source of skills necessary to tame the dragons, and he isn't P.O.V. which means GRRM doesn't have to worry about him knowing too much and sharing with the reader - or explaining in too much depth how magic works in Westeros. Bloodraven also has a POV character (Bran) nearby to record and report what he sees to the reader.

you don't have to be a Targ in order to be a dragon rider. It is known

[Val the Wildling Princess]

I'm hoping that not all three of the dragons make it to Westeros. Also, I'm not a fan of the "three heads three riders" (I don't think that is the meaning of "the dragons has three heads" to be honest) and I'm especially not a fan of Jon (or any other Stark) riding a dragon

Edited by Val the Wildling Princess, 22 April 2012 - 06:01 PM.

[Stoned Dragon]

Serie, on 22 April 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

you don't have to be a Targ in order to be a dragon rider. It is known

I know, but I just can't stand to think anybody could be a dragon rider - it seems to easy. It seems that CotF have special abilities that are nature bound, and I always thought the Targs were their opposite and would have special fire related abilities. But, I am in the minority....

I think Bran logistically can't warg a dragon because then the reader has one P.O.V. character with entirely too much power and too much knowledge. It would be cool for Tyrion to be a head of the dragon, but he seems well positioned to be governing when Dany is off riding about on her dragon. Dany needs a dragon to rule, Jon needs a dragon to fight the others/prove he's a targ, and Bloodraven has the power, knowledge, connections to take the other. But c'est la vie.

[Josephxoxo]

I'm sorry but I'm not buying that Bran or Aegon have a chance of riding a dragon. I'd say Daenery's, Tyrion, and someone else.

[Teal'c]

Dany, Jon, Rhaegar

[The Smiling Eye]

Dany, Jon, and Aegon

[drigoly]

Dany, Jon, Aegon

[Howling Mad]

Val the Wildling Princess, on 22 April 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

I'm hoping that not all three of the dragons make it to Westeros. Also, I'm not a fan of the "three heads three riders" (I don't think that is the meaning of "the dragons has three heads" to be honest) and I'm especially not a fan of Jon (or any other Stark) riding a dragon

Based on the Varamyr Six Skins prologue I'm convinced that Bran will warg all 3 dragons to the chagrin of the 3 dragon riders.  Why else would GRRM show us that its possible to warg and control more than one animal?  Varamyr not only controls 5 beasts he is able to maintain control over them even while sleeeping.  Otherwise the snow bear and the shadow cat would have torn him to pieces when he slept just as they did when he lost control at the battle of the wall.

Additonally, we know from Sam and Gilly's escape with Coldhands that BR was able to control an entire flock of crows while the crows attacked the wights.  If this doesn't foreshadow Bran or at least BR wraging the dragons why highlight sixskins in a prologue?  Did we need sixskins to justify Jon's ability to warg Ghost?  Doubtful.

[Jem]

Yeah, I'm not one of those who are really into the dragon riders thing. If Dany/Jon/Tyrion/Bran/whoever all come swooping in to save the day, riding on the backs of their suddenly tamed dragons, with the theme song to "Never-ending Story" playing in the background, I might just roll my eyes out of my head. That sounds totally lame to me.

Dany's dragons are savage wild animals. They are not the kindly, wise and helpful dragons of some fantasy series. It is just too fluffy and sappy and juvenile to think that these dragons are going to become sweet little pets and they are all going to have a nice little owner and they all will live happily ever after.

Personally I think that at least one of the dragons will die, probably killed by one of its siblings. And one will be held by the 'wrong' person eg Victarion for at least a period of time, before returning to its rogue state.

I think that Drogon will be the only dragon that is at least semi-tamed, and is the only dragon that will arrive in Westeros. Remember the Targ sigil is a three headed dragon. One dragon, three heads. Not three dragons with one head each. It seems likely that someone will warg the dragon - even though I think that is totally lame as well and hope it doesn't happen. Somehow it will be three people controlling the one dragon, I think.

[Cheese Pudding]

Only Danny will ride dragons, but she will receive help from 2 other characters, the complementary heads.

[Ragnorak]

You may have to be a Targ to be one of the dragon riders.  In Dany's visions in the House of the Undying when she sees Rhaegar talking about Aegon, Rhaegar says "There must be one more... The dragon has three heads."  This seems to indicate Rhaegar believes the three heads are Targs.  Rhaegar could be wrong; I could be reading too much into it.  I suspect that in the next book we'll see the full prophesy either in the Citadel or from some other source and then we'll know more-- possibly including whether the riders must be Targs or not.  I suspect that even Melisandre is working off an incomplete prophesy.

If they must be Targs I only see 4 possible options.  Dany, Aegon, Jon and Tyrion.  If Dany is supposed to "beware the Mummer's Dragon" that most likely points to Aegon, leaving Dany, Jon, and Tyrion as the only possible living Targs (at least that I can see.)  I don't particularly suspect Tyrion is a Targ-- but there are enough hints in the text to make it a possibility.

If they don't have to be Targs then it really could be anybody.  I vote for Hot Pie and Manderly when it comes time to take the Twins.

[Val the Wildling Princess]

Howling4Reed, on 22 April 2012 - 06:30 PM, said:

Based on the Varamyr Six Skins prologue I'm convinced that Bran will warg all 3 dragons to the chagrin of the 3 dragon riders.  Why else would GRRM show us that its possible to warg and control more than one animal?  Varamyr not only controls 5 beasts he is able to maintain control over them even while sleeeping.  Otherwise the snow bear and the shadow cat would have torn him to pieces when he slept just as they did when he lost control at the battle of the wall.

Additonally, we know from Sam and Gilly's escape with Coldhands that BR was able to control an entire flock of crows while the crows attacked the wights.  If this doesn't foreshadow Bran or at least BR wraging the dragons why highlight sixskins in a prologue?  Did we need sixskins to justify Jon's ability to warg Ghost?  Doubtful.

I honestly think that the prologue of ADWD focusing in Varamyr was meant to show us how Bran is "breaking the rules of warging", that Varamyr learnt from Haggon, basically by warging Hodor (I think the other two, apart from warging people, are to feed on people while you are inside the animal and to mate with another wolf/animal) and also to foreshadow the possibility of Jon living inside Ghost while he is dead or in a coma after the assassination, and how he would lost part of his humanity if he stays too long inside of his wolf. But anyway, In my post I was talking about riding dragons, not warging them.

[SnowStorm]

Irri and Jhiqui are the two other dragon riders.

Val the Wildling Princess, on 22 April 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

I'm hoping that not all three of the dragons make it to Westeros. Also, I'm not a fan of the "three heads three riders" (I don't think that is the meaning of "the dragons has three heads" to be honest) and I'm especially not a fan of Jon (or any other Stark) riding a dragon

Why do you hope that? If/When Dany returns to Westeros, it should be like when Aegon I did it. She should land with her three dragons and re-conquer Westeros. If she comes with only two dragons, all the mythology behind the number 3 and the Targaryens is lost and we know right away that she will fail.

I don't have any theory on who the other 2 riders will be, but I hope it's not as obvious as Tyrion/Jon/Victarion/Jorah. Well actually, I don't think I would mind Tyrion and Jorah, but meh... I too hope there's more to "the dragon has three heads" than just every dragon will have a rider.

[Howling Mad]

Val the Wildling Princess, on 22 April 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

I honestly think that the prologue of ADWD focusing in Varamyr was meant to show us how Bran is "breaking the rules of warging", that Varamyr learnt from Haggon, basically by warging Hodor (I think the other two, apart from warging people, are to feed on people while you are inside the animal and to mate with another wolf/animal) and also to foreshadow the possibility of Jon living inside Ghost while he is dead or in a coma after the assassination, and how he would lost part of his humanity if he stays too long inside of his wolf. But anyway, In my post I was talking about riding dragons, not warging them.

I feel that the rules layed out in the prologue are for the most part self evident.  Nonetheless I still believe the prologue supports the concept of Bran or BR riding the dragons metaphorically as wargs.

[Dracarya]

'The dragon has 3 heads'.. I don't know. I think this means that the dragon, i.e. Dany, will take control of all three of her dragons, and so she will have 3 heads.. so to speak

Prophecies and shit confuse me.