[Book Spoilers] Who is Talisa?
Posted 23 April 2012 - 01:41 PM
A little would be lost from the story (how Tywin had his hands in it) but not too much.
Posted 23 April 2012 - 01:52 PM
Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:13 PM
Although they didn't bother explaining why Robb would feel so much the need to justify himself to a random woman giving assistance to the wounded, so they probably just roll with it and do as if the question didn't exist.
I'll give that to the scene: it was nice to have someone asking Robb about his endgame, and remind us he is getting carried by the events.
Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:18 PM
But the Westerlings aren't an ambitious family. And as someone else said, they're barely even noble anymore. They're a failing branch of a line whose soul saving grace at this point is that they are old.
Likewise, how far away from home is she? I'm pretty sure in ACOK the battle that the show was adapting took place near the Crag, right? Isn't Oxcross near the Crag?
Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:43 PM
I have no idea why they keep changing names of side characters. I also don't understand why she's on the battlefield tending the wounded. In the books, she nursed Robb back to health after an injury which is when he fell in love with her. We had no details prior to that, so I'm guessing they decided to write this scene in to show how adept she is at being a field nurse?
Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:57 PM
Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:21 PM
Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:40 PM
I guess there's always a chance that HBO thinks its viewers can't grasp the concept of two characters having similar names and that they changed Jeyne Westerling to another name to avoid confusion with Jeyne Poole. That still doesn't explain the complete character makeover though. At least with Margaery or Yara (ugh), they are interpretations that make sense within the context of the show. The nurse has little in common with Jeyne from the books from what I've seen.
Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:58 PM
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:00 PM
Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:18 PM
I'm thinking they are just trying to protect the reveal. There is an interview with Oona where she refers to the character as Jeyne, so who knows.
Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:27 PM
Posted 23 April 2012 - 09:06 PM
Posted 23 April 2012 - 11:36 PM
This is a ridiculous distortion of what we're trying to say. Considering this is a story full of unconventional heroines, the book readers are going to be the last people to object to a female surgeon roaming battlefields with her knife and her political opinions. The point is that there's no legitimate reason for Jeyne Westerling to do so.
But let's accept that she has a legit reason, for argument's sake - let's say the TV Lord Westerling is like Lord Tarth and lets his daughter do as she pleases, and her particular goal in life is to be a female maester, which is fine. It still doesn't excuse the ham-handed introduction - if Jeyne is going to be an openly female maester the way Brienne is an openly female knight, then why would Jeyne keep her identity hidden in Stefford Lannister's host? If she's so afraid of being caught, then why bother riding with an army?
More importantly, how is she keeping her identity hidden when her father is one of Tywin's vassals? (Even if he's a relatively powerless vassal).
And I could STILL forgive all of that if she didn't have the obnoxiously teen rom-com (as someone else pointed out) conversation with Robb. That whole conversation about war...gah. That was just such bad writing in so many ways.
Posted 24 April 2012 - 12:06 AM
What I got from it is a good showing of how unprepared Robb is for this war and kind of bringing the character back down to Earth. He is still a kid really and doesn't exactly get the bigger scheme of things. He's riding around winning battles because "[they] need to win the war first," but he really has no idea about the bigger picture. Right now it seems like a lot of the viewers see him as that hero who can do no wrong: he's winning all his battle, not giving in to Roose's pressures to torture prisoners, etc. This moment is one of many I foresee coming this season where they attempt to show how naive Robb really is and how he's not perfect, climaxing in the moment where he marries Jeyne and screws his cause over.
It was a good juxtaposition. He won the battle but had no idea how to handle everything else that comes with war.
Posted 24 April 2012 - 12:11 AM
Posted 24 April 2012 - 12:29 AM
Yeah, Harrenhal looked like shit, but remember Tywin made a whole bunch of renovations in the book to get the place liveable.
Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:00 AM
Everyone in the media is giddy over the first real potential romance in the show. Little do they know
Edited by FiveByeSeven, 24 April 2012 - 01:03 AM.
Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:57 AM
I say we wait for some background on this character. In understanding where she comes from, it might help us to understand why she could be so flippant.