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#1 thistlepong

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 03:57 PM

[ETA: I typed the title hastily.  This thread and probably all links are spoiler heavy.]

Thread 1
Thread 2
Thread 3
Thread 4
Thread 5
Thread 6
Thread 7

Additional thread
The Name of the Wind Thread (March 30th 2007)
"The Name of the Wind" (January 12th, 2011)
The Doors of Stone (May 3rd, 2011)
Question on Name of the Wind (September 2nd, 2011)
Does Name of the Wind get better? (January 4th, 2012)

Edited by thistlepong, 01 September 2012 - 04:12 PM.


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Posted 26 April 2012 - 03:58 PM

Suvudu Cage Matches:

Kvothe vs Aslan

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Kvothe vs Jaime Lannister

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Unpublished Excerpt from The Wise Man's Fear

Occurs in and around Kvothe's encounter with Puppet.
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Westeros [Q&A]Patrick Rothfuss Chat Thread


2012-05-17 Admissions Interview

Part I at Pat's Blog
Part II at Tor.com's Rothfuss Reread

Kingkiller art by Nathan Taylor

The Name of the Wind movie poster

Amyr

*fan colored Amyr


The Name of the Wind recap



TV Tropes*





The Kingkiller Chronicle


The Name of the Wind


The Wise Man's Fear



Interviews

LA TIMES 3-28-2012
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Patrick Rothfuss interviews Terry Brooks interviews...
Part I
Part II
Part III
Part IV
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Edited by thistlepong, 29 July 2012 - 10:12 PM.


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Posted 26 April 2012 - 03:58 PM

User Reviews:

Neth Space


Pat's Fantasy Hotlist


The Wertzone


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Will there be a second trilogy?  Contrast this with almost every public statement from the author over the last few years.  Grains of salt and whatnot.


Theories of Note: All hail Jumbles for organizing and formatting this monster list


View Postjumbles, on 06 May 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

Laurian is Netalia Lackless
Denna is Netalia Lackless
Location of the Waystone Inn
Kvothe Loses His Name and His Skill with His Hand
Master Ash is Cinder
Master Ash is Bredon
Chronicler is a Loeclos
Kote Means Disaster
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Lackless Rhymes
Loeclos Box Holds a Scrael
Kvothe is Amyr-like
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The Tahl are the singers
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Copper
Rhinta, Rhinna, Rhinata, and Rhintae
Haliax and the Four Doors of the Mind
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The House That Jax Built
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Auri is Princess Ariel
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Auri's Taborlinesque Gifts
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Bast's and Felurian's Relationship
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Denna Sweet-Eater
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Elodin is Manet
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Haliax and Iax
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Kvothe is a Chandrian
El'the Means Listener
Kvothe is Like Tehlu & Pals (whom I will refer to as Angels for short)
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The singers are the Angels
The Ruach, Adem, and Edema Ruh
Skarpi Namer
Alchemy Interpretation
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singers Just Sing About the Chandrian
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Name is a Key
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Valaritas is a Sleeping Barrow King
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Laclith
Skarpi, Sceop, and Hespe's Tinker
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The Broken House is the Mortal World
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The Loeclos Box is Made of Rhinna Wood
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The Nameless Ring is for Denna
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Caudicus is Cyphus
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Kvothe Steals the Moon
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The Nameless Ring is Copper
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Denna and the Moon
Denna and the Wind, Kvothe and the Broken Tree
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Tinkers
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Ben Wanted Kvothe to Remember the "Not Tally a Lot Less" Song
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The Cthaeh is Encanis
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Bredon is the "Stick by the Maer"
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Bredon is Aculeus Lackless
Sceop Means Speaker
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Sim Betrays Kvothe
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Princess Ariel is Roderic's Daughter
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Dagon is a Chandrian
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Abenthy Teaches Kvothe Yllish Knots
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The Eolian is Gone
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Devi is the Demon Kvothe Tricked
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Ambrose is the Penitent King
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Puppet is Amyr
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Dagon is Amyr
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The Cthaeh is Hespe's Tinker
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Kvothe's Friends Are Dead
Alveron is the Penitent King
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Lorren is Adem
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Geoffrey and Denna are Siblings
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The Nameless Ring is for the Moon
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Denna and Copper
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Selitos is the Cthaeh (Loeclos Box Holds Obsidian)
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Kvothe's Rings and Angel Wings
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Kvothe and Tehlu
Kvothe has a Knack with Locks
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Viari is Amyr
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Imre Founded by Amyr
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Edited by thistlepong, 26 August 2012 - 09:06 PM.


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Posted 26 April 2012 - 03:59 PM

Last Post from previous thread:

CapedCrusader says:


I agree, a depressing ending would suck.
I understand that it would be unrealistic for the good guys to always win,get the girl, etc...but I hate the new trend of things going terribly wrong for the "good guys".

I don't want Rothfuss to turn into another GRRM.


Edited by thistlepong, 26 April 2012 - 04:01 PM.


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Posted 26 April 2012 - 04:06 PM

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Come on, you know Sim dies. Even if Pat's got a fair hand with prostitutes, there's no way the great tragedy isn't Kvothe's betrayal of the bromance. The Chandrian all live. Kvothe's a bit player in a drama that broad.


Really, you don't think Cinder dies? He at least gets majorly hurt, even maimed, is my guess. Kvothe's deux-ex-machina has to do with the Name of the Wind. Somehow this will help him at least injure Cinder.

And you're right, Sim or Wil will die. Probably Sim, at which point Kvothe can sex Fela and make the eight. ;-)

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 05:10 PM

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for Kvothe's sake, I really hope she isn't some loose whore. Kvothe deserves better than that.

Sorry this is kind of an older post, but man there is so much wrong with that sentiment. Basically, Denna's doing what she has to survive. Whether that is selling her most readily available commodity - her body - or working for a kind of shady character, we absolutely cannot and should not make that kind of judgment call on her. In addition, if anyone is the "loose whore" in this relationship, it's Kvothe. You're holding Denna up to an absurd and unreasonable double standard.
I could go on, but it would devolve into mindless ranting and keyboard smashing. Just... think about that, okay?

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 05:27 PM

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In addition, if anyone is the "loose whore" in this relationship, it's Kvothe

Oh man, if we can have a discussion about depiction of women and sex in Wise Man's Fear....I have some opinions.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 07:14 PM

1. In WMFc57, Bredon says to Kvothe, "Then, when your star grows ascendant in the Maer's sky, I may find myself in possession of an unexpectedly useful friend." Who else made stars? Shapers.

2. Master Ash: Both he and Puppet have white hair. Also, when Kvothe asks Puppet what he calls himself, he replies, "That would be telling, I suspect" (WMFc40). The only other time "would be telling" shows up is in NotWc72 when Denna refuses to outright confirm that Master Ash is rich. Also, Manet is Master Ash. Both are old, and Manet demonstrates "a pair of remarkably light feet" when he dances in WMFc5.

3. Maybe the Chandrian's purpose is to erase themselves from history because they spoke to the Cthaeh and they want to halt the Cthaeh's influence.

4. IF Kvothe became a Chandrian, and IF his name is locked in his chest, maybe that protects him from Haliax's control like in the story Kvothe tells about Chronicler in WMFc47.

5. In NotWc70, Kvothe is talking to Devi about the two hired men who jumped him. He says, "I think they were really after blood." Maybe he was right, but they just wanted some of his blood without actually killing him. His blood my be useful if he really is the "son who brings the blood."

6. Tinkers seem to have power similar to the Cthaeh's, but have the opposite purpose (as long as they aren't insulted).

7. Here (external link) TyranAmiros suggested that Imre was founded by the Amyr because Ademre was founded by the Adem and Imre could have been Amyre at one point. This may be supported by Cob saying "Amary" instead of "Imre" in NotWc88.

8. More evidence that Elodin is Manet. Fela works with cut tile in the Fishery (NotWc62), she does Fishery work for Elodin (NotWc68), and Manet works with tile (NotWc64).

Edited to give more direct link and identity of the Tor commenter.

Edited by jumbles, 11 May 2013 - 09:47 AM.


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Posted 26 April 2012 - 08:49 PM

View Postjumbles, on 26 April 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

1. In WMFc57, Bredon says to Kvothe, "Then, when your star grows ascendant in the Maer's sky, I may find myself in possession of an unexpectedly useful friend." Who else made stars? Shapers.

2. Master Ash: Both he and Puppet have white hair. Also, when Kvothe asks Puppet what he calls himself, he replies, "That would be telling, I suspect" (WMFc40). The only other time "would be telling" shows up is in NotWc72 when Denna refuses to outright confirm that Master Ash is rich. Also, Manet is Master Ash. Both are old, and Manet demonstrates "a pair of remarkably light feet" when he dances in WMFc5.

3. Maybe the Chandrian's purpose is to erase themselves from history because they spoke to the Cthaeh and they want to halt the Cthaeh's influence.

4. IF Kvothe became a Chandrian, and IF his name is locked in his chest, maybe that protects him from Haliax's control like in the story Kvothe tells about Chronicler in WMFc47.

5. In NotWc70, Kvothe is talking to Devi about the two hired men who jumped him. He says, "I think they were really after blood." Maybe he was right, but they just wanted some of his blood without actually killing him. His blood my be useful if he really is the "son who brings the blood."

6. Tinkers seem to have power similar to the Cthaeh's, but have the opposite purpose (as long as they aren't insulted).

7. Here (external link) someone suggested that Imre was founded by the Amyr because Ademre was founded by the Adem and Imre could have been Amyre at one point. This may be supported by Cob saying "Amary" instead of "Imre" in NotWc88.

8. More evidence that Elodin is Manet. Fela works with cut tile in the Fishery (NotWc62), she does Fishery work for Elodin (NotWc68), and Manet works with tile (NotWc64).

1. You do realize no one is making stars, it is just a figure of spech?
2. So, your theory is that Puppet and Manet are Master Ash???
3. And if that is the case, then why eactly do they not simply let the Amyr catch them?
4. He is planning to murder them, and instead becomes one of them? Doubtful.
5. How would anyone know that he is the son who brings the blood, even if it is true?
6. OK, that one is plausible... Though I think it is an exaggeration. Cthaeh is supposed to know everything that will result from what it says, while tinkers are more limited. It could be a knack...
8. And now that I read the last one, I conclude that this is a prank post.... Or else I missed something very major.....

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 08:53 PM

jumbles - Wow, I like number 3... I haven't seen that argument before. I have a hard time believing that the Chandrian kill people who speak/sing about them because its hard to come up with a motive but that's an interesting idea. I think it's safe to say that the Chandrian and the Cthaeh are on opposite "sides" so there's probably a good chance that their purpose is in contradiction to his. Number 7 is interesting too - with Imre/Belen being the site of an old university and the new one it kind of makes sense that's where the Amyr would hang out. Although saying that... Lanre is linked to Belen (when he saved the city from a surprise attack) and if MT is at the other end of the great stone road then maybe there's a Chandrian link to Belen/Imre (being opposite sides of the 4C and opposite "sides" of Chandrian/Cthaeh)? Nice work though :)

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:05 PM

View PostKv0th3, on 26 April 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

8. And now that I read the last one, I conclude that this is a prank post.... Or else I missed something very major.....

Pretty damn major, I should say.
It's a meme on this forum to assume all characters are Manet and find evidence supporting this. It started off sometime in I believe thread #4 with... I think Skarpi being Aleph, and then someone decided Manet was Aleph instead, and then someone decided that they were both Aleph, and then someone else decided that they were actually just the same person, who was also Abenthy, who was also Elodin... etc, etc, etc. The site's search function isn't working for me right now, so I can't link you back to the actual content, but it's pretty good stuff.

View Postsciborg2, on 26 April 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

Oh man, if we can have a discussion about depiction of women and sex in Wise Man's Fear....I have some opinions.
Yes please. I'd be totally down for that.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:10 PM

View Posttwo_by_two, on 26 April 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

Yes please. I'd be totally down for that.

Seconded.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:16 PM

View Posttwo_by_two, on 26 April 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

It's a meme on this forum to assume all characters are Manet and find evidence supporting this. It started off sometime in I believe thread #4 with...

unJon in Thread II, sir!  A mere seven days after publication.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 10:02 PM

View Postthistlepong, on 26 April 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:

Seconded.

Heh, well, my initial view was the depiction of women tank the novel, but I think it's more certain scenes. Pornoskitch has a review with cats that was pretty good at enumerating the flaws.

Off the top of my head:

- Almost every woman is attracted to Kvothe, no matter the age difference.

- Felurian, who near as I can tell is really skinny, somehow is the most beautiful woman. She, however, is a fuck-doll given sentience whose purpose is item drop and info dump. She's also a serial rapist/killer, but it's okay because she didn't mean it she just likes sex....so she deserves to live but the other rapists who are mortal deserve to die?

- Denna is some strange fantasy beauty, maybe a former sex worker but maybe not. Strangely the book touts her strength and independence then makes sure she needs Kvothe to save her, over and over.

- Auri is the crazy girl trope, nothing new there. Note she also lacks any real agency, she might as well be some character you can meet in an adventure game.

- Fela is gifted at math and magic, but more importantly she has big boobs and ends up with Sim *after* Kvothe is dead, because no one can ever choose to not be with Kvothe unless he's not in the room. Also, Fela naturally ends up with the "Nice Guy", her final purpose as hot girl to be a reward to Sim for being a nice person.

- Devi is competent, perhaps the one truly independent woman in the novel. And she offers to sleep with Kvothe. Because Kvothe naturally has to have at minimum the chance to sleep with every hot girl...except for Auri, who is the Virgin to Denna's Whore in the Virgin/Whore dichotomy.

- Kvothe saves women who have been raped. These women have no other point in the story but to serve as a way for Kvothe to be both hero and vigilante. We also learn women who aid and abet rapists are worse than men.

- Kvothe is supposedly a traumatized youth (15) whose never been in a relationship and was incredibly lonely....but he never develops any attachments or has any confusion about spending what may have been a year or more just with Felurian.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 10:58 PM

View Postsciborg2, on 26 April 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

Really, you don't think Cinder dies? He at least gets majorly hurt, even maimed, is my guess. Kvothe's deux-ex-machina has to do with the Name of the Wind. Somehow this will help him at least injure Cinder.

Kvothe is .08 of a Taborlin

I dunno.  The story allegedly says tricked a demon and fought an angel, possibly killed one.  So far we haven't seen Taborlin defeat the Chandrian.  He mostly escapes from them and kills their minions.

Edited by thistlepong, 29 April 2012 - 09:47 PM.


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Posted 27 April 2012 - 05:48 AM

View PostKv0th3, on 26 April 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

1. You do realize no one is making stars, it is just a figure of spech?
2. So, your theory is that Puppet and Manet are Master Ash???
3. And if that is the case, then why eactly do they not simply let the Amyr catch them?
4. He is planning to murder them, and instead becomes one of them? Doubtful.
5. How would anyone know that he is the son who brings the blood, even if it is true?
6. OK, that one is plausible... Though I think it is an exaggeration. Cthaeh is supposed to know everything that will result from what it says, while tinkers are more limited. It could be a knack...
8. And now that I read the last one, I conclude that this is a prank post.... Or else I missed something very major.....

A couple of parts were meant to be humorous, yes. For the most part though, I had a serious desire to add thoughts to the discussion. These are just thoughts though. I don't believe that either Puppet or Manet is Denna's patron for example.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 07:18 AM

I can't do 'em all now, so my hedge is gonna be looking at them at a time or something.

View Postsciborg2, on 26 April 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

- Almost every woman is attracted to Kvothe, no matter the age difference.

I think there's an upper limit if you remove Felurian from the set.  But it's a good point.  We get one of the few random names when he returns to the University.  Meridan's only characteristic is that she wanted to have sex with Kvothe and is disappointed she didn't.

I think he owns this, but like everything else doesn't care.  He wanted Kvothe to be a rockstar: guitar, leather jacket, fancy hair.  So, if Denna doesn't think so little of herself that she goes slumming with him, will that mitigate the swarm or reify it?

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 09:41 AM

View Postthistlepong, on 27 April 2012 - 07:18 AM, said:

I can't do 'em all now, so my hedge is gonna be looking at them at a time or something.



I think there's an upper limit if you remove Felurian from the set.  But it's a good point.  We get one of the few random names when he returns to the University.  Meridan's only characteristic is that she wanted to have sex with Kvothe and is disappointed she didn't.

I think he owns this, but like everything else doesn't care.  He wanted Kvothe to be a rockstar: guitar, leather jacket, fancy hair.  So, if Denna doesn't think so little of herself that she goes slumming with him, will that mitigate the swarm or reify it?

I get the books play into a fantasy, I think it was a [sexual] fantasy that gutted the book's literary value. Rothfuss is a gifted storyteller, perhaps one of the best to come along [for fantasy] in awhile given how scenes that should be boring can breeze by, but the quality of characterization (somewhat understandably minimal given the Kvothe focus) just dies.

I have a better opinion of the novels than Happy Ent, who seems to think they are garbage dressed in emperor's clothes, but a lot hinges on Doors of Stone producing anything of merit in terms of characterization/pacing/resolution. I sort of doubt the women, besides Denna, will be gain any agency what-so-ever in the limited space.

It's not exactly bad, being a tie-in novel grade series, just seemed like more was going on at first.

Edited by sciborg2, 27 April 2012 - 10:39 AM.


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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:00 PM

View Postsciborg2, on 26 April 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

Heh, well, my initial view was the depiction of women tank the novel, but I think it's more certain scenes. Pornoskitch has a review with cats that was pretty good at enumerating the flaws.

Off the top of my head:

- Almost every woman is attracted to Kvothe, no matter the age difference.

- Felurian, who near as I can tell is really skinny, somehow is the most beautiful woman. She, however, is a fuck-doll given sentience whose purpose is item drop and info dump. She's also a serial rapist/killer, but it's okay because she didn't mean it she just likes sex....so she deserves to live but the other rapists who are mortal deserve to die?

- Denna is some strange fantasy beauty, maybe a former sex worker but maybe not. Strangely the book touts her strength and independence then makes sure she needs Kvothe to save her, over and over.

- Auri is the crazy girl trope, nothing new there. Note she also lacks any real agency, she might as well be some character you can meet in an adventure game.

- Fela is gifted at math and magic, but more importantly she has big boobs and ends up with Sim *after* Kvothe is dead, because no one can ever choose to not be with Kvothe unless he's not in the room. Also, Fela naturally ends up with the "Nice Guy", her final purpose as hot girl to be a reward to Sim for being a nice person.

- Devi is competent, perhaps the one truly independent woman in the novel. And she offers to sleep with Kvothe. Because Kvothe naturally has to have at minimum the chance to sleep with every hot girl...except for Auri, who is the Virgin to Denna's Whore in the Virgin/Whore dichotomy.

- Kvothe saves women who have been raped. These women have no other point in the story but to serve as a way for Kvothe to be both hero and vigilante. We also learn women who aid and abet rapists are worse than men.

- Kvothe is supposedly a traumatized youth (15) whose never been in a relationship and was incredibly lonely....but he never develops any attachments or has any confusion about spending what may have been a year or more just with Felurian.

- Some dudes just get chicks. It makes no sense, but they do. Apparently Kvothe is one of them, but I'll agree that the sex fantasy seemed to go a little overboard. Didn't really ruin the book for me though, just seemed a bit juvenile. However, Kvothe is what, 16? This was one of the more realistic parts of the book for me, since if at 16 I was taught sexomancy by an eternal sex goddess I would have done nothing but chase tail.

- Felurian IS sort of an info dump, but I thought Kvothes time in Fae was an interesting way of him learning some facts about the world. As for Fellurian being a rapist Kvothe makes a point of saying he felt sorry for her because she doesn't have any control over nature. Imagine someone dying every time you got horny. Besides, she's Fae. They don't play by (or really consider) human rules and morality. Bast maks this point several times.

- Denna is a survivor rather than a hooker-with-a-heart-of-gold or a damsel-in-distress. She doesn't like being beholden to anyone or possessed. Yeah, she's probably had sex for money, but she's also run cons and done concerts. She does what she needs to to survive. Kvothe has a pretty nasty personal history too if you count his time in Tarbean, where he stole, conned, assaulted, and even lit someone on fire. And as far as I can recall the only two times he's saved Denna were when she ate the Denner resin (which she never would have found if Kvothe hadn't gone searching in the woods) and during her asthma attack (which I will admit was a bit corny).

- Never thought of Auri as the Manic Pixie Dream Girl but now that you mention it I kind of see it. We don't know yet though that she has no agency. I think one of the failings of most trilogies (including this one) is that they are the middle children of a series, and serve more to set up the third book than stand alone. Auri's character may play a huge role in The Doors of Stone but we won't know how meaningful her scenes are until the book is released. That being said I think she's a fun and interesting character that if nothing else serves as a foil to show Kvothe's caring and protective nature when the rest of the time he's sort of being a self-centered bastard.

- Fela started to fall in love with Sim before Kvothe left for Vintas. When they are in the library searching for information on a Gram Sim surprises Fela with poetry he wrote on the fly, and Kvothe mentions he saw the first spark of love in her reaction. Granted, with Kvothe out of the picture Sim probably had a better chance, but Fela was already starting to fall for Sim before Kvothe's exodus.

- Devi is flirtatious and only offers to sleep with Kvothe one time when she knows he has access to the library and at the height of a heated negotiation. She's obviously attracted to him, but well, he's supposedly an attractive guy. Just because she always flirts with him doesn't mean she's going to jump into bed with him. If he got back from the Fae and she suddenly couldn't keep her panties on I'd agree with you.

- I'll agree that the whole saving-the-girls thing was a bit over the top. But I believe the point of the episode was Kvothe acting like an Amyr (hence the doctor telling Kvothe that they were alike: when something gets infected you cut it off fast for the greater good) {an aside: anyone else think the doctor could be an Amyr?}. I think this episode was a bit ham handed but the point wasn't about sex at all. As for the women being worse because they know better, that was a hard-as-nails character speaking, not Rothfuss (and while I may not totally agree with her, I do see her point).

- People who have had traumatic experiences often have trouble forming relationships. And earlier you accused Felurian of being a rapist. If a rapist had kidnapped you (and I don't think Felurian is a rapist) and used you for sex for a year I think you might have trouble forging relationships as well. However, Kvothe had trouble forming relationships before he got the the Fae, probably for the same reason Denna doesn't like to be beholden to anyone: they both spent time on the streets scraping to survive and trust does not come easily. I think one of the underlying themes of the books is that Kvothe has all these gifts and skills but in the end doesn't know how to use them properly. That includes forming lasting relationships despite the fact that he's attractive, confident, charming, and skilled. Just look at him in the frame story. He doesn't seem like some guy bragging about all of his sexual conquests; he's a young man that looks like he's been through the wringer and is filled with nothing but regret.

Look, I'll grant that a lot of the relationship/sex stuff in WMF is over the top and some times even poorly written. But I think you're overstating the sexism/misogyny of the series a bit and looking for ill-intent where there is none.

Edited for spelling

Edited by stumpzapper, 27 April 2012 - 12:04 PM.


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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:14 PM

Excellent post. Just to be clear, I don't think there is "ill-intent" on Rothfuss's part.

My issue is the dramatic dip, IMO, in quality between NotW and WMF, which in part is the female characters.

Felurian charms men to have sex with her, knowing it will kill them. If she were a male fae Kvothe would have murdered her for being a rapist. Granted, this slanted view on Kvothe's part might be pointing to Kvothe's troubling morals (which I don't think Rothfuss endorses).