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[IheartTesla]

Res ipsa loquitur, on 01 May 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

Had it been a man dressed as a rabbi, Id not; its fact that its neither the Amish nor the Rabbis who state their intent to destroy us.

Because terrorists are not dumb, they will probably dress up as a rabbi or the amish next time they sit next to you or Robin Hill (or anyone else, for that matter). Although I believe an amish person wouldnt step on a plane unless it was driven by air horses.

And that, my dear friends is why profiling doesn't work.

Edited by IheartTesla, 01 May 2012 - 08:15 PM.

[Res ipsa loquitur]

Profiling has worked very well, actually...when used correctly. Israel manages.

[ThinkerX]

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How did he know the criminal records of people then? He was just looking at a guy and saying "he looks like a car thief?"

Pretty much.  You have to keep in mind he did this sort of thing for a living for over twenty years.  He was real, real good at 'reading people' - and these criminal louts saw nobody but an old man sitting in a booth.  These criminal louts were giving off all kinds of 'signals' even when they thought they were being careful, is what a lot of it came down to.

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Was he accurate?

  Reasonably so, as I remember - he knew which one was the car thief, which one had done time for B&E, and had the other three or four pegged in a general sort of way.

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Probably one had a hoodie, another had a screwdriver

I don't believe 'Hoodies' had been invented back then (early 80's).  Again, it was mostly just paying attention, with a *LOT* of years of experience behind him.

[kalbear]

That would be the precise opposite of profiling. Careful observation of specific people over multiple days? Come on. If you're comparing that to pulling a black guy over for no good reason, you're being pretty disingenuous.

[ThinkerX]

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That would be the precise opposite of profiling. Careful observation of specific people over multiple days? Come on. If you're comparing that to pulling a black guy over for no good reason, you're being pretty disingenuous

Then what do you call it?  I am genuinly curious here.

I would also point out these louts were far from the only customers we had back then, and I had the impression he sort of watched everybody when he was sitting there drinking his coffee.  And when not in the snack bar, his main interest was in fishing, hunting, and visiting distant relatives.  The time spent in the snack bar was a small slice of his day - maybe an hour tops.

[Nukelavee]

I tend to think it's one thing to be accurate thru some sort of observation, another to assume, based on minimal data, templates of behaviour.

You can call the old cop's thing profiling if you want, but others here use the word to mean basically stereotyping.

[IheartTesla]

Res ipsa loquitur, on 01 May 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

Profiling has worked very well, actually...when used correctly. Israel manages.

Obviously, I disagree. The Israeli flying experience, as far as I can tell, seems to be an unpleasant experience where everyone is subjected to intrusive questions and rigorous security measures. I wont comment on the necessity of that since Israel faces harsher realities, but you should question whether a nation like the US needs or even wants such police state-like tactics to keep the airlines purpotedly safe.

Otherwise paying extra attention to certain people because of some vague notions of ethnicity or race hasnt even worked in the US to prevent crimes, never mind terrorism.

[Ser Robin Hill]

If you check the last time airport security was breached at Ben Gurion airport, you will understand one very important thing about Israeli security.  It works.

[gryphon strike]

Thinker X he observed the people that would include listening, most small time crooks cannot stop running off at the mouth about how badass they are, that is most likely how he picked them and was so accurate. You knew what they had done so how did you know?
And no that is not profiling Kalbear is correct.
Profiling is more like few centapedes are rich enough to drive cars thus any centapede driving a car is most likely a theif and should be pulled over.

[Sci-2]

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I don't believe 'Hoodies' had been invented back then (early 80's). Again, it was mostly just paying attention, with a *LOT* of years of experience behind him.

just teasing RiL for her ability to spot criminals who have those items. ;-)

[The Iceman of the North]

Robin Hill, on 01 May 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

If you check the last time airport security was breached at Ben Gurion airport, you will understand one very important thing about Israeli security.  It works.

So you prefer to live in a society where you have to send five hours at the airport for a 30 minute flight?

[Ser Robin Hill]

Strange, I checked a couple of sites where travelers rate airports.  There seems to be a wide variation in the amount of time to go through security there.

[gryphon strike]

And I heartTesla sorry but terrorists are indeed dumb, but saying how in an open forum would be even dumber.

Then again the minister for defence here in australia is even dumber since he not only cleared the placing of full plans of all out military bases on the net but he was the instigator so yeah he is certainly dumber than any terrorist and they are pretty damned dumb!

[Former Lord of Winterfell]

IheartTesla, on 01 May 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

Because terrorists are not dumb, they will probably dress up as a rabbi or the amish next time they sit next to you or Robin Hill (or anyone else, for that matter).

When was the last time a terrorist was arrested dressed like a rabbi or someone who was Amish?

[Ser Robin Hill]

Former Lord of Winterfell, on 02 May 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

When was the last time a terrorist was arrested dressed like a rabbi or someone who was Amish?

That means they're smart, because we didn't catch them.

[IheartTesla]

Former Lord of Winterfell, on 02 May 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

When was the last time a terrorist was arrested dressed like a rabbi or someone who was Amish?

Jesus Christ.

Too soon?

[Kynokephalos]

IheartTesla, on 02 May 2012 - 11:49 AM, said:

Jesus Christ.

Too soon?

Fictional characters. especially Gary Stus, don't count.

[Ser Robin Hill]

Well, guess who they are trying to turn into a fictional character, now?

http://www.amazon.co...35982020&sr=8-1

I've no interest in getting the book, but that will definitely annoy some people.

[Sci-2]

What percentages of Muslim immigration to Europe involve cases of political asylum?

[Brienne the Beauty]

sciborg2, on 02 May 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

What percentages of Muslim immigration to Europe involve cases of political asylum?

Did your Google break?