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[Arthanis]

Margery is obviously this "younger, more beautiful queen". Cersei ALREADY lost everything: crown, power, beauty, respect, freedom- while Dany still didn't put her feet on Westeros. Cersei have basically nothing more too loose... except life. And trial of faith is definitely going to take place before Dany invasion...

Sansa is not Queen (she MAY be queen in future), and she didn't take part in Cersei fall (she was only tool in Jeoffrey I The Idiot assassination). Cersei will be destroyed (and possibly dead) before Sansa begin her game.

[greywindsrage]

Arthanis, on 17 May 2012 - 02:15 AM, said:

Margery is obviously this "younger, more beautiful queen". Cersei ALREADY lost everything: crown, power, beauty, respect, freedom- while Dany still didn't put her feet on Westeros. Cersei have basically nothing more too loose... except life. And trial of faith is definitely going to take place before Dany invasion...

Sansa is not Queen (she MAY be queen in future), and she didn't take part in Cersei fall (she was only tool in Jeoffrey I The Idiot assassination). Cersei will be destroyed (and possibly dead) before Sansa begin her game.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Edited by greywindsrage, 17 May 2012 - 04:32 AM.

[Brother Darkness]

What about brienne getting it on with jaime and killing cerisi for some reason could briennes good nature be deemed more beautiful and taking jaime is surely everything she holds dear? A long shot but thought I'd put it out there

[QuaitheTheShadow]

Arthanis, on 17 May 2012 - 02:15 AM, said:

Margery is obviously this "younger, more beautiful queen". Cersei ALREADY lost everything: crown, power, beauty, respect, freedom- while Dany still didn't put her feet on Westeros. Cersei have basically nothing more too loose... except life. And trial of faith is definitely going to take place before Dany invasion...

Sansa is not Queen (she MAY be queen in future), and she didn't take part in Cersei fall (she was only tool in Jeoffrey I The Idiot assassination). Cersei will be destroyed (and possibly dead) before Sansa begin her game.

Maegery didn't cast her down though. She didn't take any of those things from Cersei and Cersei still has Tommen so I don't think this is a good fit.

Also, it's unclear if Maegery is actually more beautiful than Cersei.

[Lord Ben]

I'm in the midst of AFFC right now and Tommen is standing up to his mother in Maegery's defense.   It seems like she's losing him to me.

[Viking]

SerMixalot, on 13 May 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

Sansa's wolf's name was Lady Lady is a term refering to a lord's wife Grace is a term refering to the queen If the wolves' names areprophetic, Sansa will be a lady and not a queen

sooo.... Sansa will be a lady

Arya will invade dorn with 10,000 ships
Robb will be ephemeral like the wind
Jon will be undead
Bran will bring back the summer after the coming winter (like bran the builder?) Edit: wait, WTF, you might have something there...
Rickon will, eh, bring fur back into fashon

[Viking]

my take on maggie the frog's prophecy

All three of her kids will be monarch Joffrey, Rickon, Myrcella in order. Stannis might have to die before Myrcella is crowned, or merely being in Dorne will do the trick. Each of them will die and the golden shroud is the Baratheon Gold.

The Valonquar is Jamie, who was born a few seconds after Cersei

He will do it at her request and then regain his honour by dying in combat, presumably against Brienne of Tarth. She already has shown a willingness to die at the banquet during the battle of the blackwater.

The Younger More Beautiful Queen is the one leading the army which is besieging the city/castle Cersei is holed up in when she chooses to die.

[Ragnorak]

Arthanis, on 17 May 2012 - 02:15 AM, said:

Margery is obviously this "younger, more beautiful queen". Cersei ALREADY lost everything: crown, power, beauty, respect, freedom- while Dany still didn't put her feet on Westeros. Cersei have basically nothing more too loose... except life. And trial of faith is definitely going to take place before Dany invasion... Sansa is not Queen (she MAY be queen in future), and she didn't take part in Cersei fall (she was only tool in Jeoffrey I The Idiot assassination). Cersei will be destroyed (and possibly dead) before Sansa begin her game.

This might be right, but Cersei has not had her trail yet.  If Robert Strong wins, with Kevan dead she may be regent again.  She's definitely falling but the impact with the ground may still be a little further away than her trial.  She may even claim to be regent before her trial and if the Lannister army that was with Jaime comes back she may use it to refuse the trial.  Lots of possibilites.

[Arthanis]

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This might be right, but Cersei has not had her trail yet. If Robert Strong wins, with Kevan dead she may be regent again. he's definitely falling but the impact with the ground may still be a little further away than her trial. She may even claim to be regent before her trial and if the Lannister army that was with Jaime comes back she may use it to refuse the trial. Lots of possibilites.

Even Kevan said "she will be no Queen again", not after "walk of shame". She lost her political position, she has no supporters, Tyrells hate her because of things she did to Margery, Lannisters hate her for things she did to Lancel and possibly Kevan (as Varys said, people will think she is responsible for his death), all her old supporters hate her too. Entire KL hate her, as we've clearly seen in last Cersei POV in DwD. Even Jaimie is against her. Life is everything she may save. Even people who do not hate her (like Kevan, before death), and are on her side, consider her as mad, paranoid and cruel person - and prefer keeping her away of politics and power.

She ALREADY lost everything forever. She is no longer young, she is no longer beautiful, is no longer queen, is no longer powerful, is no longer respected and is no longer able to do anything to change her fate. Margery is definitely this "younger, more beautiful queen", because her arrival and Cersei own actions perfectly fulfilled prophecy.

[Lady Wylla Manderly]

I think it will be Sansa, too. For all the reasons some you guys have explained beautifully. ALTHOUGH, if she truly becomes "The Queen In the North," when Rickon and Bran are still alive, SANSA of all people, I will lose all the respect for GRRM.

[Edmure Floppy-Fish Tully]

So... you sayin' the 'Queen in the North' should be psychotic!Arya?

[Lady Wylla Manderly]

Viking, on 17 May 2012 - 10:09 AM, said:

sooo.... Sansa will be a lady

Arya will invade dorn with 10,000 ships
Robb will be ephemeral like the wind
Jon will be undead
Bran will bring back the summer after the coming winter (like bran the builder?) Edit: wait, WTF, you might have something there...
Rickon will, eh, bring fur back into fashon

How about:

Sansa: will be a Lady (of Vale?)
Arya: Will be a notable female warrior who'll possibly go down in history.
Robb: I don't know why but "greywind" reminds me of storms and death?
Jon: Undead. Azor Ahai.
Bran: What you said.
Rickon: Shaggydog is a very wild name. And seeing as he's in Skagos right now...

[Lady Wylla Manderly]

Edmure Floppy-Fish Tully, on 29 June 2012 - 08:55 PM, said:

So... you sayin' the 'Queen in the North' should be psychotic!Arya?

You Sansa stans amuse me beyond relief. I didn't even say anything about Arya.

However, Arya is NOT a psychopath. If you actually think that, then you need to brush up on some psychology, friend. Being a psychopath or even a sociopath is NOT the same as shutting off compassion/going into aggressive depression. [See here.]

But no, I want Bran and then Rickon to be the leaders of the North, because I want the Stark name to continue, and I want all the Stark children to reunite in Winterfell. Which will mean that Winterfell will pass to Bran anyway.

So... chill.

[Ragnorak]

Arthanis, on 17 May 2012 - 02:15 AM, said:

Margery is obviously this "younger, more beautiful queen". Cersei ALREADY lost everything: crown, power, beauty, respect, freedom- while Dany still didn't put her feet on Westeros. Cersei have basically nothing more too loose... except life. And trial of faith is definitely going to take place before Dany invasion...

Sansa is not Queen (she MAY be queen in future), and she didn't take part in Cersei fall (she was only tool in Jeoffrey I The Idiot assassination). Cersei will be destroyed (and possibly dead) before Sansa begin her game.

But Jeyne Westerling is a Queen and her grandmother was the one who gave Cersei the prophecy.  Notice the scorn, almost malice, Maggie shows to Cersei when she recounts the prophecy.  Reread it assuming Maggie sees the role Cersei will play in her granddaughters fate.  It could also be Dany, any wife Euron takes, any wife Jon takes if he's Robb's heir.  You may be right, it could very well be Margaery but it isn't "obviously Margaery" yet.

[mchaza]

I hope its Sansa and she is still in the Vale, because if their is one person I want to see fly, its Cersei

[Swordsaint]

Kung Fu Kiddo, on 28 April 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

This is how I see it. From the first time I read Maggy's prophecies, I have always assumed it was Sansa that she was speaking of.

A lot of people get confused with the "queen" part, assuming that it *has* to be someone who is already queen or will, by way of succession, become queen. But keep in mind the possibility for Sansa to marry a king or become Queen in the North, or something along those lines. Like AM said, I think Maggy's prophecy is largely a play on words, and like all prophecies, confuse the hell out of people.

Very true, which I picked Benjen Stark to be her Valonqar. When she tells the prophecy she words it as "The Valonqar" not "Your Valonqar". I've already went over the reasons why I picked him in a Valanqar thread. Most people don't take it seriously.

[Swordsaint]

Arthanis, on 17 May 2012 - 02:15 AM, said:

Margery is obviously this "younger, more beautiful queen". Cersei ALREADY lost everything: crown, power, beauty, respect, freedom- while Dany still didn't put her feet on Westeros. Cersei have basically nothing more too loose... except life. And trial of faith is definitely going to take place before Dany invasion...

Sansa is not Queen (she MAY be queen in future), and she didn't take part in Cersei fall (she was only tool in Jeoffrey I The Idiot assassination). Cersei will be destroyed (and possibly dead) before Sansa begin her game.

Wrong! Margery took "nothing" from Cersei. All Margery did was go bareback riding and get blamed for it. Margery has also never been described as more beautiful then Cersei. Robert Strong will win for Cersei, and she'll be back to her old ways in two shakes of a lamb's tail. Kevan dying right after their dinner could actually work in Cersei's favor. She was surrounded 24/7 by septa's and the King. So they will not be able to pin it on her.

There is a chance of three women/queens who have a chance taking everything Cersei has... Dany, Sansa, and Val if Jon takes her and names himself King. Those are the only three women I can think of who would be named as younger and more beautiful with a very solid position.

Edited by Swordsaint, 29 June 2012 - 11:22 PM.

[Queen of Thornes]

I read the prophecy and figured it was Margaery. Didn't analyse it too much. If I think abot it some more, Margaery still seems the best option. Dany would be my next choice.

From the wording, it doesn't have to another queen, but Sansa seems unlikely. Revenge would require a sea-change in Sansa Stark that I can't see happening. But GRRM could do it, though he would need nine books to do it in.

Dr. Pepper, on 29 April 2012 - 07:40 AM, said:

There's a theory that Taena's son, Russel, is actually Robert's bastard.  Perhaps Taena will return to King's Landing with black-haired Russel in tow and present him to the court as proof that the golden crowns of Cersei's children are proof that her biggest secret is that they are actually Jamie's bastards.

I'm new to this forum. where does this idea come from? Its seems unlikey to me. Also Taena would gain nothing by bringing Ruy\ssel to court and claiming that he is Robert's son. She would have to be able to prove it, preferably with a large army at her back. The Tyrells have plans for the thorne and I can't seem them just taking her word for it.

She got close to Cersei in an effort to further her interests. She was tryng to get her son in court and probably a favorable marriage for him and a cushy job for her husband. She cleared out fast when Cersei fell from grace.

[tijde]

SerMixalot, on 13 May 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

all that you hold dear


clearly cersei held joffrey dear
sansa clearly was not involved in that loss
it appears that hte queen of thrones and by extension Margaery, killed Joffrey (though if anything is consistent in GRRMs books, it is that what appears is not always the case)
I am beginning to like the Taena angle, but what would her motivation be, did cersei ever hurt her house?

I don't really have an opinion on who the prophecy is referring to--I'm not on Team Sansa or anything. But Sansa *was* involved with Joffrey's death, albeit indirectly. She brought the poison to the feast in her hairnet. Obviously she wasn't in the know about the conspiracy, but she played a pretty big part in its execution (har har). The conspirators actually took a big risk there; she could've ruined the entire plan by simply deciding to wear her hair differently. She may have unwittingly set the whole plan in motion as well, by telling the Queen of Thorns what Joffrey was really like and this giving Olenna a good reason to assassinate him.

[Teal'c]

The Queen In the North, on 29 June 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

How about:

Sansa: will be a Lady (of Vale?)
Arya: Will be a notable female warrior who'll possibly go down in history.
Robb: I don't know why but "greywind" reminds me of storms and death?
Jon: Undead. Azor Ahai.
Bran: What you said.
Rickon: Shaggydog is a very wild name. And seeing as he's in Skagos right now...

A shaggydog story is a long pointless rambling story that goes nowhere, like Rickon's character so far.