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[ManyFacedOne]

Eaeron I, on 30 April 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

The wights don't seem to rise just because it is night, since Othor and Jafer were found by Ghost at nightfall, and were left there until the next day when the search party went out to find them. But it's possible that they did rise that night and just sat there, waiting for the next day, I suppose.

They didn't rise because it was hot outside that day. They must have walked there on their own, since Sam mentions there's no signs of blood on the ground, but once it got warmer the Others connection to them must have been interrupted. Once they brought them back across the wall however, the temp dropped at night allowing them to rise again.

Edited by ManyFacedOne, 01 May 2012 - 11:53 AM.

[lojzelote]

Eaeron I, on 30 April 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:

It's possible the Wall doesn't block skinchanging completely. Mormonts raven. I have long thought that it was Bloodraven skinchanging it. But, there is something troubling about this though, there could be someone else left in the raven - meaning that it is not Bloodraven skinchanging it. Who is it in that case?

I may be wrong, but I have always thought that Bloodraven and Bran shouldn´t be blocked by the Wall since they are the greenseers and their warging abilities should be much much stronger.

[Stark@heart]

The cold/magic was already in them because as stated their eyes were blue, where they hadn't been before they died.


I think that the two who were found by Ghost were left there on purpose to be found so that they would be brought back through the Wall to the castle so they could be re-activated and  kill all they could.   If all the men who guard a gate are gone/dead, then maybe it's possible for the Others to walk through that gate?

[Eyron I]

ManyFacedOne, on 01 May 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

They didn't rise because it was hot outside that day. They must have walked there on their own, since Sam mentions there's no signs of blood on the ground, but once it got warmer the Others connection to them must have been interrupted. Once they brought them back across the wall however, the temp dropped at night allowing them to rise again.

Was it warm that night they spent at the same place Ghost found them too? Because they were found by Ghost in the evening but the men didn't go searching for them at night. Othor and Jafer didn't move either that night, and were found by the Night's watch the day after.

lojzelote, on 01 May 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:

I may be wrong, but I have always thought that Bloodraven and Bran shouldn´t be blocked by the Wall since they are the greenseers and their warging abilities should be much much stronger.

Yeah, that is what I have been thinking too, and I still do btw I think when you're connected to the weirwood network the Wall is moot, and since the Children's magic probably is in the Wall they should be able to hack it...
But I mentioned it as a possibility, someone else could be using Mormonts raven. I don't think that is very likely though.

[CrypticWeirwood]

Eaeron I, on 01 May 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

But I mentioned it as a possibility, someone else could be using Mormonts raven. I don't think that is very likely though.

It can’t be Bran, unless there’s time-travel skinchanging.

There are a lot of greenseer singers on weirwood thrones, and we know that all the ravens have pieces of singers in them.  

But I’m sure it’s Lord Brynden.

Edited by CrypticWeirwood, 01 May 2012 - 07:35 PM.

[Mumatil]

Eaeron I, on 29 April 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

Ah the good old iron theory... Yes, I think iron is very important and keeps the dead dead.

Another interesting bit is that the contents of obsidian is very high in iron, it is solidified magma, from the fires of a volcano, where dragons reside in ASoIaF. Frozen fire as it has been called. And dragonbone is high in iron, hence it's black colour. It may be important too since GRRM chose to make it so, when the dragon bones could have been regular bones. And he specifically chose obsidian to be the weapon that destroys the Others.

  I remember an account in the first book where tyrion is reading a book on Dragons and talks about how there is a high iron concentration in their bones.

[ManyFacedOne]

Eaeron I, on 01 May 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

Was it warm that night they spent at the same place Ghost found them too? Because they were found by Ghost in the evening but the men didn't go searching for them at night. Othor and Jafer didn't move either that night, and were found by the Night's watch the day after.

I assume that was the reason, yes. That's the first time we hear about spirit summer and that's right before it starts getting cold again.

[CrypticWeirwood]

But what’s “spirit summer”?  Is that like Indian Summer?

[ManyFacedOne]

From GoT:

"The day was grey, damp, overcast, the sort of day that made you wish for rain. No wind stirred the wood; the air hung humid and heavy, and Jon’s clothes clung to his skin. It was warm. Too warm. The Wall was weeping copiously, had been weeping for days, and sometimes Jon even imagined it was shrinking. The old men called this weather spirit summer, and said it meant the season was giving up its ghosts at last."

So it seems it's just the last of the warm weather before autumn officially begins.

[Exitao]

Every time I see the title of this thread I wonder, "where do put the stick?"

[Ser Lepus]

Exitao, on 02 May 2012 - 01:28 AM, said:

Every time I see the title of this thread I wonder, "where do put the stick?"

Of all the questions about wights, that´s the easiest to answer: They already have a nice pre-made hole.

[Feather Crystal]

I have the suspicion that the Children are connected to the Others. The weirwoods allow "transmissions" south of the Wall as demonstrated by Bran. Bran was north of the Wall when he ate the paste, slipped his skin, and popped up south of the Wall in the heart tree at Winterfell. The Wall was put in place as a physical barrier to keep the Others behind it, but the Children are now actively working to help get them past it. And maybe there are two factions: Children that are manipulating the Others, and Children trying to prevent them? Bran was warned not to be tempted to call back the dead, which means that it is possible...obviously the White Walkers do it, but Bran has the power to do so also.