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[justashadow]

Jennelyn, on 15 May 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

Yes, but he was just with the Tyrells at Renly's camp and they were heading to Highgarden then. Maybe he's already been there. If he goes all the way to Harrenhal and then all the way back to Highgarden, my is he doing a lot of traveling! The show wasn't very clear about where Renly was camped. It seemed to be some hybrid between Bitterbridge and Storm's End(minus the castle), but it's not really that easy to just pop in everywhere. There is distance and travel is slow, not that you can tell that from watching the TV show. Either way, he does seem to be doing some negotiating with the Tyrells/Lannisters and he'll appear again sooner or later. The show probably won't explain his path of travel.

Ok..that might make sense too. I guess he just went there to report to Tywin to procure some type of advancement for himself (And he just had to mention Tyrion) before heading back to KL.

Edited by nightshadow, 15 May 2012 - 09:39 PM.

[Jennelyn]

chico, on 15 May 2012 - 04:41 PM, said:

Where the hell is Stannis?  I've been under the impression that Renly's army was not too far from King's Landing.  So now that Stannis has that army to add to his own, plus the ships he procured through his deal with the pirates... well, what's taking so long?  (I know it's probably just an issue of the climax to the season and when to start showing us that battle, but I'm getting a little impatient.)

Oh Dany.  Her pride, ego, and ambition are totally betraying her.  I had thought much more highly of her before now.  It seems obvious that her only play, at this point, is to marry Xaro.  She has nothing to negotiate with anymore.  I suspect that Xaro's "higher ambitions" are to eventually take over the whole island, not just Qarth, and with Dany, he can also take over Westeros.  That would be quite a kingdom to rule over... and he's made sure to let us know that he came from nothing and is a completely made-man.  I'm STILL smarting over those undead guys being way more magical than we previously thought - parlor tricks, my a$$!

Catelyn.  She can't kill Jamie - she needs him as much now as she ever did if she wants her daughters back.  And I seriously doubt that him ragging on Ned's infidelity will do any more to her than it ever has in the past (plus, even though she won't admit it, she doesn't completely hate Jon Snow - he always acted like a big brother to her own children, so she can't just ignore that).  I think she's going to cut off either a hand or a foot - maybe take his sword hand or take a foot so he can't try to escape so easily again.  That might also convince the bannermen to leave Jamie alone for a bit.

I know there's a lot of characters to deal with this season, but I feel a little like some absences are too long.  Where's Varys?  Why has Littlefinger been so scarce?  What ever happened to Roz?  Have Margery & Loras made it home yet?  Why do we continue to not see Joffrey in some episodes?  He is the current King, after all.

Stannis is sailing toward Kings Landing. Though the show wasn't clear about where they were, they were NOT near KL. In the books they were camped at Bitterbridge and then went to Storm's End which would be where Stannis sailed from. (Check maps). Evidently the show doesn't think viewers need to know exactly where the camp was, but you heard Tyrion say in this episode that his fleet was still 5 days away.

Qarth is not on an island, but a continent. There really isn't much nearby for Xaro to conquer and all trade would be done by ship. If he were attempting to conquer the entirety of Essos, that would indeed be extremely ambitious and he'd need to be more than just the richest man is Qarth. Dany is certainly learning some hard lessons here, but don't give up on her yet. She's in a difficult situation, but she is an extraordinary woman indeed. She's already been through a lot and is young yet.

I think you're wrong about Catelyn hating Jon Snow. Hate may be a strong word, but she basically tolerated him because Ned insisted. As far as she's concerned he's a constant reminder of Ned's apparent infidelity. She'd be stupid to kill Jaime, yes, but I don't doubt that his words are hitting her hard.

Littlefinger is in transit somewhere trying to work some miracles with Tyrells. I'm sure he'll pop up soon enough. Roz can stay scarce as far as I'm concerned. I haven't missed her. As for characters being missing at times, it just speaks to the enormity of the scope of the series. There are so many scattered about in so many places that they couldn't possibly follow them all during every episode. There is an immense amount of detail in the source material and therefore HBO has a pretty tall order with the adaption. They'll show you what you need to see and try to keep you focused on what is important at the time. It should all fall into place in due time.

nightshadow, on 15 May 2012 - 09:36 PM, said:

Ok..that might make sense too. I guess he just went there to report to Tywin to procure some type of advancement for himself (And he just had to mention Tyrion) before heading back to KL.

Really, it's pretty unclear exactly where Littlefinger is right now. I'm guessing, but the writers obviously don't want the viewers to know exactly what he's doing at the moment so they're keeping him off the radar.

[boojam]

I notice the preview of episode 8 has  been changed so it now says '3 episodes left'.

[Jennelyn]

Another little tidbit I just thought of in regards to the warlock's powers. When the dragons came into the world, they brought with them magic that had been long lost and muted. Now that there are dragons, magic in the world of Ice and Fire has more magnitude.

[chico]

Jennelyn, on 15 May 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

Stannis is sailing toward Kings Landing. Though the show wasn't clear about where they were, they were NOT near KL. In the books they were camped at Bitterbridge and then went to Storm's End which would be where Stannis sailed from. (Check maps). Evidently the show doesn't think viewers need to know exactly where the camp was, but you heard Tyrion say in this episode that his fleet was still 5 days away.

Thanks for that.  I must've missed the 5 days comment and I'm not familiar with any larger or more expansive maps (as I mentioned, I haven't read the books).  I've been avoiding reading too much about the characters or the world so that things don't get spoiled for me.

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Qarth is not on an island, but a continent. There really isn't much nearby for Xaro to conquer and all trade would be done by ship. If he were attempting to conquer the entirety of Essos, that would indeed be extremely ambitious and he'd need to be more than just the richest man is Qarth.

Ahh, ok.  I guess the opening credits gave me the impression that Vaes Dothrak and Qarth were on opposite ends of an island that's a bit smaller than Westeros.

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Dany is certainly learning some hard lessons here, but don't give up on her yet. She's in a difficult situation, but she is an extraordinary woman indeed. She's already been through a lot and is young yet.

I don't want to give up on her - she did survive a fire, after all.  But the bratiness right now is a little overwhelming.  I guess I also find it hard to believe that she's become so power-hungry.  It makes her, at least at the moment, no different than her brother (or from the sound of it, any of the prior Targaryen kings).  Maybe 'losing it' a little is just a trait of that family; if so, she's likely to fall from my radar as someone to root for over the long-term.

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I think you're wrong about Catelyn hating Jon Snow. Hate may be a strong word, but she basically tolerated him because Ned insisted. As far as she's concerned he's a constant reminder of Ned's apparent infidelity. She'd be stupid to kill Jaime, yes, but I don't doubt that his words are hitting her hard.

I hear you here, but I still think that she isn't going to ignore that, for instance, all of her kids looked on Jon Snow very favorably.  I don't believe she's just going to get lost in her emotions, especially rage or anger.  Even in her arguments with Robb, the things she's saying are very balanced and pragmatic.  It just seems out of character that Jamie could knock her off kilter with insults that's she been dealing with for so long.

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Littlefinger is in transit somewhere trying to work some miracles with Tyrells. I'm sure he'll pop up soon enough.

I guess I don't see the point of scattering the Small Council already.  I know that Joffrey's reign is already fairly tenuous and unstable, but all through the first season, we were led to believe that Littlefinger and Varys were running things more than it seemed on the surface.  Now in this season, they are almost afterthoughts.  It's just creating a little imbalance for me.

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Roz can stay scarce as far as I'm concerned. I haven't missed her.

I like Roz.  Her dialogue and the way she's able to hold her own with the powerful men she's around just gave the impression she was more than just the garden variety wench.  Again, it's like the stuff we saw in season 1 has just been thrown out now regarding her character.

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As for characters being missing at times, it just speaks to the enormity of the scope of the series. There are so many scattered about in so many places that they couldn't possibly follow them all during every episode. There is an immense amount of detail in the source material and therefore HBO has a pretty tall order with the adaption. They'll show you what you need to see and try to keep you focused on what is important at the time. It should all fall into place in due time.

Oh, I definitely get the scope.  And I don't know that I expect to see every character in every episode - sometimes other characters simply talking about those absent is enough.  But to not see or hear about some characters at all seems a little uneven.

[Jennelyn]

Chico,

HBO has a viewers guide and the map looks to be pretty good. You shouldn't have anything spoiled for you by looking at it and you'll gain a lot of insight into the world. http://viewers-guide...hrones/season2/

Dany has always been one of my favorite characters because of the way she went from being such a scared abused young girl to a strong, ambitious young woman and leader of people. I think currently in the show she is asserting herself and trying to make things happen rather than being patient. Because she has her dragons she is a little too confident that she can get what she wants, but her dragons need to grow up and she will need an army. She is showing her young age by failing to comprehend what it will really take to conquer the 7 Kingdoms. She also has no idea how to rule once she's conquered so I'd chalk it up to ignorance. Unlike her brother, she cares for people (saving slaves from being raped last season and looking out for her Dothraki followers) and she isn't cruel or abusive. If you cross her, she'll let you have it, but she won't prey upon the weak.

As for Catelyn, she does do a good job of keeping her composure and remaining pragmatic. I would say that she does have good reasons for doing the things she does and if she has a weakness, it's her children. It'll be interesting to see how that scene plays out because Jaime does seem to be getting to her. She really can't stand that man for what he did to Bran and he has a mouth on him.

Littlefinger has been busy doing the bidding of the King and the Hand of the King. Varys is around even if they haven't shown him lately. This happens in the books too. You don't hear from characters for a while sometimes, but then they pop up and you see they've been quite busy. I'd say with the show it's either because of time limitations or the fact they don't want you to see what a they're up to that they leave a character out episodes. Also, it could get boring just watching them travel from point A to point B if that's all they are doing. I have to give the show credit for finding ways to keep many of the characters on screen. Dany and Robb really don't show up much in the part of the books this season is based on. They know they can't just leave them out so they are inventing scenes for them and so far it's working pretty well. And it's nice to keep the book readers guessing as well.

I think I'm a little biased when it comes to Roz since she's not a character from the books. I didn't mind her at all last season, but this season I was a little annoyed with how much screen time she was getting. I don't get how she just shows up at Kings Landing and all of the sudden she seems to be running Littlefinger's brothel.

[perception]

Brilliant episode! Im wondering if anyone knows the id of the beautiful track played on the ending credits? it´s beautifulll!!!

[chico]

Thanks again, Jennelyn.  Good insights.    I'll check out those maps you mentioned...

[Whitering]

Wow, they made Jaime worse than in the books.

[Sandor's Hound]

Why was Lord Tywin offended when Arya asked if he knew any stonemasons?

[Masamune]

Sandor, on 14 August 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

Why was Lord Tywin offended when Arya asked if he knew any stonemasons?

Arya was being sarcastic. Lord Tywin isn't one to associate himself with the commonfolk.

Or I could be pulling tha out of my ass. That's how I interpreted it, anyway.