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[Book Spoilers] Pre-airing Discussion

The Old Gods and the New Game of Thrones HBO Book Spoilers EP206

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#1 Ran

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 06:08 PM

A thread for discussing the next episode, "The Old Gods and the New", before it airs this weekend. Spoilers from the novels or TV show permitted.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:15 PM

Looks like we get to see the sack of Winterfell and get introduced to Ygritte.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:29 PM

Hm, it seems to me they are setting up Roose to take Ramsay's place in Winterfell. I guess the betrayal the summaries referred to for Robb might be Roose saying he'll take back Winterfell only to take it for himself? I hope they don't do that, as it would kinda screw up the introduction of Ramsay. Nonetheless, Jon's scenes next week should be amazing.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:49 PM

I'm probably stating the obvious here, but aren't the episode titles normally a line said in that episode? Doesn't Cat swear by the old gods and the new when Brienne takes her oath? I might be remembering wrong, since I read CoK a few months ago, but it makes sense to me that Brienne swears fealty to Cat in this episode. Not a very big thing, but still something that might happen.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 12:37 AM

Link to the preview if anyone is interested: http://www.hbo.com/#...UlaayMQIAUmYXOA==

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:10 AM

Do we know if Barristan is going to make an appearance this season? Mormonts remarks made his arrival sound imminent and I was sure if we even knew if the actor had been brought back for this season.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 02:38 AM

I expect to see Barristan this season, episode 10 most likely. From the preview it seems like myrcella in the show will be different from myrcella in the books.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 02:54 AM

I put this in the discussion on ep5, but it belongs here, really:

I think the scene in the House of the Undying will be that Dany goes in, they cut to a different scene, (preferably Jon, blue rose and all that). Cut back to Quarth, Dany comes stumbling out, Pyat Pree goes mental, Jorah cuts him down. Later she recounts what she saw. The scene is too trippy for viewers to make sense of anyway, it would be like a David Lynch movie.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 04:37 AM

I agree, Roose might be the one to take back Winterfell, but what of Harrenhal, then, who will take it from Tywin ?

As for Ygritt, yes, she will be introduced in this episode... but that makes me wonder: we're quite at the end of Jon's story in CoK, at this pace, it will end at episode 7 or 8... what of the last two episodes for Jon then ?

For Myrcella, yes, I dont like the fact that she seems to cry during he leaving for Dorne. Yet I'm looking forward to the riot and Sandor saving Sansa.

For the Hotuh, I'm expecting it more in the episode 7. But I really fear this scene... I agree they do not show the battles and only the aftermath, that is an excellent choice, both narrative, economic and visual... but the HotuH... we need to have it in full... and it may be so screwed...

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 06:14 AM

I'm probably stating the obvious here, but aren't the episode titles normally a line said in that episode? Doesn't Cat swear by the old gods and the new when Brienne takes her oath? I might be remembering wrong, since I read CoK a few months ago, but it makes sense to me that Brienne swears fealty to Cat in this episode. Not a very big thing, but still something that might happen.


That already happened in last nights' episode.

I agree, Roose might be the one to take back Winterfell, but what of Harrenhal, then, who will take it from Tywin ?

For the Hotuh, I'm expecting it more in the episode 7. But I really fear this scene... I agree they do not show the battles and only the aftermath, that is an excellent choice, both narrative, economic and visual... but the HotuH... we need to have it in full... and it may be so screwed...


I already stated somewhere that I thought they'll have Roose take Winterfell, and maybe combine him with Ramsay. But if Roose takes Winterfell, who will stab Robb at the Red Wedding? It would be weird for him to be there.

I share your fear for the HotU.

Edited by Crown, 30 April 2012 - 06:18 AM.


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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:59 AM

They can't really cut Ramsey can they he's kind of major later on...

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 10:51 AM

Hm, it seems to me they are setting up Roose to take Ramsay's place in Winterfell. I guess the betrayal the summaries referred to for Robb might be Roose saying he'll take back Winterfell only to take it for himself? I hope they don't do that, as it would kinda screw up the introduction of Ramsay. Nonetheless, Jon's scenes next week should be amazing.


I would think the betrayal they're referring to would be by Theon.

Edited by Hot Pie Targaryen, 30 April 2012 - 10:52 AM.


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Posted 30 April 2012 - 12:17 PM

Cannot stresss enough how much it would upset me if there is no ramsay to come and make a new reek

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 12:48 PM

Anyone worried that there has been very little mention of Beric Dondarrion?

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:10 PM

Anyone worried that there has been very little mention of Beric Dondarrion?


No, because he doesn't become a prominent character until Book 3. I think if they were going to leave him out of the show they'd have never mentioned him last season. I've got a feeling they'll go a bit more in-depth with the BWB at some point this season, as set up for next year.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 02:51 PM

it does make sense to cut ramsay as it simplifies it for the viewers we already have to many characters. have roose go to the north, logically robb would send up a force, sack winterfell and make theon reek. roose does this as he intends to take the north realizing robb has no heirs and married jeyne. he comes back down for the red wedding, he can do this as travel time in the tv show is simplified. down south lord karstark can take harrenhal as they have already cast him. or they could have roose come down and take it in season 3 so he could still be on the show and release jamie lannister. it makes sense

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 03:59 PM

I think I need to go re-read all 5 books to keep up with all of you! /laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':laugh:' />

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 05:28 PM

The Reeds will be cut, I'm sure of it now...

But I'm ready to bet Ramsay will appear next season and we'll have some scenes at the Dreadfort with him and Theon.

As for next episode, I really wish Tyrion will start thinking about the chain, would be in time now... and hope we'll see Dontos again... Sansa's story needs to move a little.

And the riot ! Cant wait for the riot ! Still not convinced by a Myrcella crying (from the snippets we had of the episode), but, well, I'll go with it.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 06:25 PM

Ramsey and all the rest will appear next season. Its a good move, for me, as it is it'd just be too much.

Ummm "Arya comes face-to-face wth a surprise visitor" or whatever the line was. Who the hell could that be, she's met everyone for the moment. Unless its Tywin in her bedchamber or the Northern Men but it doesn't fit. And other than that, her friends or Jacqen wouldn't be a surprise to be face-to-face with. An attack from Polliver, could he be 'next'? Have I forgotten someone?

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 06:54 PM

Ummm "Arya comes face-to-face wth a surprise visitor" or whatever the line was. Who the hell could that be, she's met everyone for the moment. Unless its Tywin in her bedchamber or the Northern Men but it doesn't fit. And other than that, her friends or Jacqen wouldn't be a surprise to be face-to-face with. An attack from Polliver, could he be 'next'? Have I forgotten someone?


Rorge maybe. She does sort of bump into him by surprise in the book, though it's only a quick little thing.



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