What if we've already seen Ramsay/Reek?
What if Ramsay is named Dagmer Cleftjaw?
Hear my reasoning befor skinning me:
1) Dagmer seems to be a different character than in the books in that he's not the older advisor given to Theon to oversee/help him. Also, he doesn't have that huge scar, so his second name most definately is not Cleftjaw in the show
2) Dagmer seems to be an outsider with the Iron Islanders, as Black Lorren also goes to the ship without him. Also, with Black Lorren cast, they have another superfluous Iron Islander being able to stay behind at Torrhen's Square.
3) Dagmer plays Theon like a fiddle, putting the plan to take Torrhen's Square, but then leaving the coin to fall about taking Winterfell to Theon.
4) Dagmer knows the North quite well. He knows the approximate distances and he also believes that they can take Winterfell. In the books, that falls to Theon as he's the only one that lived in Winterfell and knows where to climb the walls with rope.
If that's not true, I do guess that Dagmer will advise Theon regarding the Millers Boys, that'd fit how he talks in the scene in this episode.
Now, the story twists I imagine to make this work:
I) Roose Bolton banishes Ramsay into exile for killing his true born son. Ramsay goes to the Iron Islands.
II) Ramsay/Dagmer can convince Theon that he wants revenge on the Starks and his Father so that's why he helps him and why he's able to get troops from the Dreadfort. The price for Ramsays cooperation would be the Dreadfort, something Theon would grant him.
III) Ramsay/Dagmer can convince Rodrik Cassel since he's from the North.
IV) Ramsay/Dagmer has a motivation to turn on Theon since he is a Northener and thinks low of the Ironborn.
The storyline benefits are clear as well:
You streamline two characters into one, one who is only used for exposition on the Ironborn (Dagmer) and you introduce one very important one earlier, thus giving the audience more time to remember him (Ramsay).
You keep the mixup shenaningans but bind them into the overall story without opening a wholly new one (Dreadfort, the Lady Ramsay tortures, etc. ..).
And most importantly, you have a big suprise for the hardcore fans since everybody has been doing a Reekgate and not concentrating on Dagmer. This way, they were able to cast him and still surprise everybody.
The only thing going against this theory is if the actor cast for Roose Bolton could conceivably be the father of the actor cast for Dagmer/Ramsay?
Edited by Peasant Rebel Leader, 01 May 2012 - 06:40 AM.