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[bloodymime]

Ser Giant, on 30 April 2012 - 04:07 PM, said:

Would people really quit watching the show if an actor from the Harry Potter movies left for several seasons? Seems like GoT didnt suffer from Sean Bean leaving, I don't know the exact numbers, but Bean is a much more well-known actor.

I think it would be smart of the producers to send Osha with Rickon, if she is an expensive actor to hire it would free up funds for other things next season. Besides, she doesnt get that much screen time as-is and if they really love her that much I would love to see updates to Rickon's journey anyways.

I'm not saying people would stop watching because her going offscreen and not coming back until who knows when. I'm saying her being onscreen is a draw to other fanbases that might not start watching otherwise. I'm just looking at practical real word reasons they seem to have for cutting characters and it's hard to see them getting a bigger name like her in a ongoing role and not switching things around to make her more prominent in the story. Of course Bean is an even bigger name, would he have signed up to the show if he wasn't one and done in the first season?

I'm disappointed the Reeds haven't shown up despite the fact I expect so little from this show. I don't mean that in a bad way, this show could be the most expensive show in the history of television and every actor and actress cast to meet the character rather than for their name and it'd still be hard to see it even coming close to the books.

Edited by bloodymime, 30 April 2012 - 05:13 PM.

[CrypticWeirwood]

Brave Ser Robin, on 30 April 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

I'm completely fine with rolling the Reeds into Osha's character.  It makes it much more TV friendly.

Does it?  How so?

I just don’t like Osha much.

[chris999]

I will go ahead and say what everyone else already knows, but is afraid to say out loud.

The TV series can basically do anything it wants, independent of the books, because the books wont be finished for at least 10 more years.

That means that this TV show can go anywhere it wants, and end however they want to end it, because the books wont be finished in time for the TV show to be able to follow cannon.

Sorry for the buzz-kill... Now let's all try to put that in the back of our minds for now, and enjoy it while it lasts.

Edited by chris999, 30 April 2012 - 07:02 PM.

[Brucolac]

I don't think it will come to them having to completely branch off in direction unkown because it outpaces the books.  I think it will be canceled before the next book is out, but they can have 5-6 seasons total with what is already out which would be on the long side for an HBO series.

I have thought the Reeds would be a no-show since the second or third epidsode with Osha in season one, it just made more sense casting wise to use her instead of two more child actors.   It is just really easy to miss with them talentwise-sansa is horrible and arya is amazing for example.  You might as well chalk no Reeds up as cannon after Bran having Jojen's dream.  I thought he might be cast and not Meera, but it is pretty evident that Osha/Bran are going to encompass the roles of Meera/Jojen as well.

Edited by Brucolac, 30 April 2012 - 07:23 PM.

[Arkash]

Sophie Turner is an incredible Sansa, dont see what you mean by calling her "horrible".

[Brucolac]

I am calling her horrible because she drags down every scene she is in.  She is okay with facial acting, but she is so bad at dialogue.

[chris999]

Brucolac, on 30 April 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

I don't think it will come to them having to completely branch off in direction unkown because it outpaces the books.  I think it will be canceled before the next book is out, but they can have 5-6 seasons total with what is already out which would be on the long side for an HBO series.

I have thought the Reeds would be a no-show since the second or third epidsode with Osha in season one, it just made more sense casting wise to use her instead of two more child actors.   It is just really easy to miss with them talentwise-sansa is horrible and arya is amazing for example.  You might as well chalk no Reeds up as cannon after Bran having Jojen's dream.  I thought he might be cast and not Meera, but it is pretty evident that Osha/Bran are going to encompass the roles of Meera/Jojen as well.

Agreed. The more roles that can be squeezed into a single character makes everything less of a headache for the producers that are trying to tell the story in a way that the TV only viewer can understand.

At the end of the day, I dont really even think that it matters that much anyway, because the TV series will probably end at the end of season 4, with Joffery dying at the purple wedding. I am just enjoying it while it lasts.

The part I wonder about the most, is if it ends with the purple wedding, what are they going to do with Dany? Maybe they will pull some crazy shit, and have her come to Westeros and win the Iron Throne after Joffery dies for the series finale.

Edited by chris999, 30 April 2012 - 07:30 PM.

[Hyper]

Brucolac, on 30 April 2012 - 07:25 PM, said:

I am calling her horrible because she drags down every scene she is in.  She is okay with facial acting, but she is so bad at dialogue.

Speak for yourself. She's a teenager playing a teenager, and doing a good job with it.

I'm not sure what it has to do with the Reeds, however.

Edited by Hyper, 30 April 2012 - 07:30 PM.

[Arkash]

Brucolac, on 30 April 2012 - 07:25 PM, said:

I am calling her horrible because she drags down every scene she is in.  She is okay with facial acting, but she is so bad at dialogue.

I think I understand what you mean, even though I may not entirely agree...there is some kind of laziness, desabused tone in her voice, this soft voice of someone crushed and broken, and I really like this.

[Brucolac]

Yeah, it could be intentional.  Dany started like that in the series.

[Marjie Eilie Myatt]

I know I've said this elsewhere before, but the Reeds can be encountered later, even though geographically it probably won't make sense.  Or they can be cut, for simplicity's sake.

But to say they must be cut, for budget, ignores the fact that there are plenty of unnecessary whores still on the payroll, and HBO appears to be saving money on battle scenes (so far).

Don't miss the Walder boys one bit.

[Ser Giant]

yeah, sansa is perfectly acted to the way I imagined her, although it seems like she has grown 2 feet since last year, lol.

[_Oberyn_]

The child actor problem is just a lame excuse. Meera is not a child and Jojen can be cut by tranfering his abilities to Meera. There is no excuse for not having at least one Reed in season 3.

[Patchface12]

I have a feeling the Skaggs (and Rickon with them) will play a major part in this

I think maybe Osha will take Rickon to Skagos, but Bran will initially leave with just Hodor, but having had a 3 eyed crow dream beforehand that tells him he's sent someone to escort Bran to north, thus giving us a lead in to Jojen and Meera in the following season. Maybe they won't even be Howlands kids, just as Jeyne (Robb's soon to be love interest) is not a Westerling or even highborn.

Tho its possible they would be. Howland did train with the Men on the Isle of Faces. Its possible he would send his kids off to stay with the last Greenseer.

Edited by Patchface12, 30 April 2012 - 09:04 PM.

[Catastrophy]

Bran has only 4 chapters in aSoS and 4 in aDwD. I don't think we will see him much in show also, so they can skip getting two more actors and go to the wall with both Osha and Rickon and beyond the wall with Coldhands, sending Osha and Rickon where they need to go.

[Laohu]

Hmm... I found Maester Luwin's death a rather poignant scene in the books. Although these books do not lack for deaths of likable characters, I felt that the parting of the ways for the Winterfell group with Luwin's death had a huge impact - for obvious reasons. I would be slightly disappointed if they changed that in the show and allowed Luwin to survive the aftermath at Winterfell.

[atia-]

The absence of the Reeds is definitely one of the saddest parts of the show.  Are they expendable?  Sure.  Bran's powers can still be realized without the Reeds.  But there's a lot of things about the Reeds that I find very important and profound.  I loved how Bran showed some of his father by being so respectful to the Reeds and was genuinely interested in everything they had to say, regardless of how odd others found them.  I thought it was a great show of Bran's character.  And I think Jojen in particular could have been great tv.  Dressed up in all green with green eyes and looking/acting like a "little grandfather" with his green dreams could have been fascinating to viewers.  But I get it.  HBO probably cares the least about Bran's story for two reasons: 1) it's one of the most fantastical POVs in the books and 2) he's a kid.  And he's not a little badass like Arya.  And of course, there isn't room for everyone.  But still - sad.  Plus, Bran and Meera are ending up together, didn't you know?

[houseHB]

They can introduce the Reeds in season 3 as well if they really wanted to. Bran, Rickon, Osha and Hodor can be wandering around and Jojen and Meera show up, Jojen can say he had one of his green dreams and that is where Osha separates with Rickon and Shaggydog and Bran, Hodor, and Summer go with Meera and Jojen.

[tfoxx22]

I was fairly disappointed by their exclusion... With that being said, i think it would be interesting if they did somehow insert them into season 3.

[piratesswoop]

I really don't understand logistically how they could have Maester Luwin taking Rickon. They don't have horses, if I remember, and I'm not sure how an old guy like Maester Luwin would be expected to travel on foot, alone, with a six or seven year old child? That would just make them a prime target. At least Osha has some fighting skill and probably has some handy wildling skills. Obviously a Maester is going to be intelligent, but I still think putting Rickon in the care of Maester Luwin for a lengthy journey would just be asking for trouble.