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[BabyMeraxes]

UGH. My first double post ever. I blame electricity.

Edited by BabyMeraxes, 30 April 2012 - 07:22 PM.

[Ororo727 Jon Snow Fangirl]

Independent George, on 30 April 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

It was a combination of:

1. The Dothraki not fitting in to "civilized" life in Qarth
2. Doreah clearly does fit in, as does Dany.
3. Doreah supplanting Irri's place now that they're no longer living as Dothraki.

All of which makes perfect sense to me, and I'm really impressed that the writers thought of it and wrote it into the scripts. In the books, Dany's handmaidens started to blend into one another; Missandei was really the only one who stood apart, and she doesn't enter the story until DWD. I thought this was both necessary for fleshing out two supporting characters who don't get many lines, and brilliantly executed.

Also, she might be mourning Rakharo.

[Ororo727 Jon Snow Fangirl]

BabyMeraxes, on 30 April 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

UGH. My first double post ever. I blame electricity.

Welcome to the club!

[EgoistMusketeer]

She thinks Dany is going to abandon them and lose respect for Dothraki culture in this new city.  Thats why she shows her that she sewed up her dothraki clothing, she is uncomfortable with Danys new dress, and she snaps when Dany is called queen rather than Khaleesi.

[Rockroi]

We also have to remember that there is some natural "sibling rivalry" at play with the two women; both are serving one Queen who only has so much time to spend with either of them.  Both women know that their lives are spent in suplication to Dany and without her they are not only out in the cold, but their very lives would become imperrilled.  Hence, both want to stay within her good graces, and the other is in direct competition for Dany's time.  Its interesting because when a room full of men and women try to keep the attention of a King or a Queen, its natural.  But when you shrink that space down to just two women in a small room it becomes far more obvious and tense.

Also do not forget the constant chaffe that goes with travelling a long distance with the same people in close proximity.  I know that seems minor, but these people have been together tightly and inspeperably for a very long time and that whole time they have been close to death. There is just natural tension there.

[Arkash]

All in all, this is a great added story, this tension, I love it !

[A Menina Cebola]

I really like the fact that we get to see more of the handmaidens in the series. The relationship between Dany and her maids brings out more of Dany's caring side. If I had not read the books, I wouldn't really see much of her softer side. Last season we had her relationship with Drogo, which showed she had some heart, but this season so far she's done a lot of walking and a lot of getting angry and being a strong woman. If there wasn't the nice little scenes with Doreah and Irri, I can imagine those watching who hadn't read the books would not get an insight into her thoughts and emotions, or the side of Dany that Mormont is besotted with.

I also saw their interaction in this episode as a sort of personification of Dany's inner conflict. We've got Irri who is completely Dothraki and has a strong sense of their culture and embodies their ideals, whereas Doreah is the outsider. Doreah embodies the foreign element to Dany; the part of her that will always be the outsider to the Dothraki. The back and forth about the dress and fitting in at Qarth was like Dany's inner conflict that we otherwise wouldn't see on screen.

I don't really feel like Irri came off as moody or catty, she just stood by her beliefs and her culture. And we saw that later on with the issue over melting down the statue. It's a clash of cultures explored in a visual sense.

[BronnFan]

Ororo727 Jon Snow Fangirl, on 30 April 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

Also, she might be mourning Rakharo.

That's where I thought they were going with it,

The new guy, Kavarro, seems like a pretty good replacement though. I got a big laugh when he poured out the wine to steal the goblet,

[TheEvilKing]

BabyMeraxes, on 30 April 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

Irri's got the T. Also, I think it would be interesting to see how a Dothraki throws shade.

What language are you speaking?

I think Irri is pretty hot. I hope her and Doreah reconcile their differences and become more than good friends.

[Arkash]

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The new guy, Kavarro, seems like a pretty good replacement though. I got a big laugh when he poured out the wine to steal the goblet,

I loved the passage with the statue, too... good laugh !

[Lord Varys]

I guess Dany is going to find out that a groom can ask his bride to give him anything (i.e. a dragon). That's why book Xaro wanted to marry Daenerys, so I guess it will be somewhat similar in the TV series.

[BabyMeraxes]

TheEvilKing, on 01 May 2012 - 07:14 AM, said:

What language are you speaking?

I think Irri is pretty hot. I hope her and Doreah reconcile their differences and become more than good friends.

Drag Queen.

Two female characters sharing close quarters? It's just a matter of time.

[LifeRuiner]

sarah.jenice, on 30 April 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

I think Irri was worried that Dany will forget about her ties to them in favor of this comfortable life in Qarth.

That's how I read the tension, too.

Irri seems to be protective of the Dothraki ways - the other two girls have been 'adopted' into the Dothraki and it's obvious in that scene that Dany and Doreah can get used to not living the Dothraki life again.

She also tried to remind Dany of Drogo as if she felt that he was being forgotten too soon.

[Sword of the Morning Wood]

GoldenFleece, on 30 April 2012 - 08:35 AM, said:

With Doreah dying at the start of CoK and she is still living in the show, she looks to replace Jhiqui (spelling?)

What was with the tension in that scene between Doreah and Irri, it almost seemed that Irri was jealous of Dany's bond with Doreah.  Or is it something else?

Interesting new dynamic that was not in the books.

Irri's just pissed of with D&D for not staying faithful to the books and killing of Doreah.

[Silverx2]

how did doreah die again? its been forever and i just lent out all my books..

[Chelly]

Silverx2, on 01 May 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

how did doreah die again? its been forever and i just lent out all my books..

She died in the Red Waste. I think she got sick from infection or something.
I really like the actress who plays Irri, so count me in as those who are liking this new development. I think she was upset over a mixture of losing Rakharo, fearing losing Dany to this new place, not fitting in Qarth, and being overshadowed by Doreah as Dany's favorite.

[Arkash]

Sad we didnt see Doreah any longer at the Garden Party, she seemed damn hot in that brown robe... wish we'd see her again in Qartheen fashion! =D

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I think she was upset over a mixture of losing Rakharo, fearing losing Dany to this new place, not fitting in Qarth, and being overshadowed by Doreah as Dany's favorite.

Exactly what I felt too... and I loved this because all those are so human emotions we all felt at least once... and I too really enjoy the actress playing Irri.

Edited by Arkash, 01 May 2012 - 09:33 AM.

[BronnFan]

Arkash, on 01 May 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

Exactly what I felt too... and I loved this because all those are so human emotions we all felt at least once... and I too really enjoy the actress playing Irri.

Yeah, add me to the Irri fanclub as well.

[Independent George]

I've been an Irri fan since the whole "Find me some ducks!" exchange with Rakharo in S1. Poor Rakharo.

[Ororo727 Jon Snow Fangirl]

BronnFan, on 01 May 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

That's where I thought they were going with it,

The new guy, Kavarro, seems like a pretty good replacement though. I got a big laugh when he poured out the wine to steal the goblet,

That was funny! He is a hottie as well, not as tall as Rakharo, but handsome none the less.