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[Mumatil]

As with the majority of people on this forums who read the book we all agree on one thing, we want to see some Freys die in very violent, bloody, and possibly ironic ways.

What they did at the Red Wedding, how they broke ancient guest right and slaughtered the party.  They didn't stop at just the King they killed pretty much anyone not a Frey and took the rest as prisoners.

I agree Walder Frey, Black Walder, Aenys(Anus), etc. these men deserve to be torn apart by wolves or some equally violent and ominous way so that people in generations could tell ghost stories about how the hall of Frey was soaked with the blood of the guilty.

Soe Freys should definately be killed and face justice of the North, BUT only the ones responsible.

There were a few Freys i think that were actually honourable or possibly caught in the middle of this.  Some of the ones deemed to hold loyalty to Stark like Rob Stark's Frey squire(sadly I forget the name) were actually called to do some errands while the wedding was going on so that no complications arise form the ambush.  And the young boys and girls that probaby to young to really care or understand  And Roslin Frey, its difficult to go against your own family, only a small girl.

And poor Jinglebell, that poor fellow.

I hope the ones responsible will be devoured by wolves but i hope the ones who had no stake in this betrayel are harmed.

But thats probably not the case, between the revenge hungry BAMF Wyman Manderly and a score of northmen and the shade Lady Stoneheart  even the innocent Freys have a bleak future.  And if their house survives they'll probably be black listed by all other houses, and they weren't very popular to begin with.

What do you think?

Do they all deserve to die?

Will they all die?

Edited by Mumatil, 30 April 2012 - 04:33 PM.

[Falrinn]

There were plenty of Freys not responsible for the Red Wedding.  There were several (ie Robb's squire) who were deliberately kept away from the Red Wedding because they still had loyalties to the Starks/Tullys.  Likewise you can hardly blame people like Big Walder, who probably wasn't even aware that the Red Wedding would take place until well after it actually happened, or children who were too young to really understand what was going on.

While the Freys showed no mercy and slaughtered people who had only a vague connection to Robb breaking the marriage pact (not that murder via breaking guest right is an acceptable response even if it was limited to Robb himself), there is no reason it has to be returned in kind.  Only for the sake of the innocent of course, not for the sake of Lord Walder Frey.


Personally my favorite cause of death for Lord Walder Frey is for him to die alone in his castle of natural causes, knowing that because of all his scheming his entire house is either dead or has disowned him.  The next Lord of the Crossing will not even call themselves a Frey, even if they are technically related to him.

[Winter's Knight]

I think your point could have been made without using "retard".

Kill Walder, spare the others.

[Lord Ben]

Winter, on 30 April 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

I think your point could have been made without using "retard".

+1, it's a bit offensive.  And by "a bit" I mean quite a bit.

Nearly any POV character has done something deserving of capital punishment.

Edited by Lord Ben, 30 April 2012 - 04:08 PM.

[Mumatil]

Winter, on 30 April 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

I think your point could have been made without using "retard".

Kill Walder, spare the others.

Retard is a word, just because some use it as a derrogative term.

I have no ill will toward retarded people, they just are what they are, I hope you understand.

Why should i use a word that is more safe to use by our society or seems more "polite"?  Like mentally handi-capped or special needs?

Sorry if I don't care about being politically correct.

But lets please keep this on topic.

[Apple Martini]

Not all of the Freys were complicit in the Red Wedding, and many of them are children. So, no, they don't all deserve to die.

[Red Wedding Participant]

I would like to see NO Frey's die whatsoever. I knew from the getgo I was bound to be disappointed.

Given that by the end of the book Merrett Frey had already died I was proven right.

I'd really love to see Walder make it to the end though. Unlikely I know, but of the living characters currently if I could grant only one immunity, it would probably be him. And lots of his family, many Frey's still are around. I always laugh because whatever POV character is in the current chapter, there's always a smattering of Frey's in the area.

I know this is a rather contrary opinion, but it's how I feel. I cheered during the Red Wedding, still one of my favorite scenes in any novel. I love the Frey's for the very reason most people don't. Oh well it's just an opinion about fake people.

[Winter's Knight]

Mumatil, on 30 April 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

Retard is a word, just because some use it as a derrogative term.

I have no ill will toward retarded people, they just are what they are, I hope you understand.

Why should i use a word that is more safe to use by our society or seems more "polite"?  Like mentally handi-capped or special needs?

Sorry if I don't care about being politically correct.

But lets please keep this on topic.

It is an offensive slur that lumps anyone with mental disabilities under one term. It isn't about being P.C. but about not using discriminatory, dehumanising language that reeks of privilege.

Edited by Winter's Knight, 30 April 2012 - 04:18 PM.

[The Mother of The Others]

Which one is the frey who stands out as having redeeming qualities? Part of the reason the animal authority tries to shut down those puppy mills is all the little pets coming out of those operations are marred by it.  They've all got horrible skin diseases or are mishapen from malnutrition, etc.  It's a similar thing with Frey Farms.  All the freys coming out of that dude's loins were raised under the same standards, and those standards were morally low.  They're a defective bunch, and the realm seems to have reached that conclusion too.

[Mumatil]

Winter, on 30 April 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

It is an offensive slur that lumps anyone with mental disabilities under one term. It isn't about being P.C. but about not using discriminatory, dehumanising language that reeks of privilege.

If you wish to continue this separate discussion please do it through private messaging and not on the thread?

Please and thank you.

I see where your coming from, but from where I come from stupid and "retarded" are two different things.

Edited by Mumatil, 30 April 2012 - 04:22 PM.

[Queen of Spades]

Falrinn, on 30 April 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

Likewise you can hardly blame people like Big Walder, who probably wasn't even aware that the Red Wedding would take place until well after it actually happened, or children who were too young to really understand what was going on.

No, but I can probably find a way to blame it on Little Walder !

[Thunderfist]

How many named Freys are actually left? ^^

[Mumatil]

Queen of Spades, on 30 April 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

No, but I can probably find a way to blame it on Little Walder !

I feel bad for Big Walder, he seems to just be caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, but Little Walder man he got what he deserved.

[Ser Hippie]

Thunderfist, on 30 April 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

How many named Freys are actually left? ^^

Judging from the appendices, even with the massive casualty rate there's about 4 billion Freys left. And that's only the non-bastards!

[Winter's Knight]

Mumatil, on 30 April 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

If you wish to continue this separate discussion please do it through private messaging and not on the thread?

Please and thank you.

I see where your coming from, but from where I come from stupid and "retarded" are two different things.

I can't pm you love, the fancier parts of the site are down during the new season of GoT due to increased traffic.

[Mumatil]

Winter, on 30 April 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

I can't pm you love, the fancier parts of the site are down during the new season of GoT due to increased traffic.

Alright I'll take down the word, but please understand I'm not trying to be mean by using that word, its just a word to me.  But I can see how it shows me looking rude to some people.

Edited by Mumatil, 30 April 2012 - 04:33 PM.

[Lpearce7]

It seems like there are ALWAYS Freys somewhere, and most aren't good. I just read Davos' 2nd chapter(I think) in ADWD where he was @ White Harbor and there were several Freys there who were friends to the Lord. I was so pissed reading what lies they were telling about "The Red Wedding." I mean some of these people in the book had to been born to a mother who drunk hourly during her pregnancy and liked to bounce her children off their heads when they were little. The Freys were saying things like Robb and all his bannermen turned into wolves and started attacking Freys unprovoked and were trying to do old Walder harm even though he was being hospitable. And there were more that were just as bad. But the bad thing about it was the Lord of White Harbor believed every word. And Davos' side of the story(that the Frey's set up and conducted a massacre on a gueast) was thrown out as a pure lie.


I loved how Jamie handled the Freys during the siege of Riverrun. He told them what they were and sent them packing. These other Lords that give them shelter and attempt to make alliances are so stupid. They have to know that once a family commits a massacre and spits on all the scared laws of the land, there is absolutely no way to ever trust them. But they will pay for trusting a Frey

[Thunderfist]

I have decided that the number of Freys must be decimated until their number is such that I can remember all of their names without having to look them up

[David Selig]

Even Lady Stoneheart doesn't want to kill all of them (the BWB under her rule first has her identify whether they participated in the RW before deciding whether to hang them), which shows how extreme and unfair such a position is.

[Lan the Clever]

The head of the family and Black Walder would suffice.