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[Chelly]

I really liked her. I always had a soft spot in my heart for Ygritte. I found her to be very endearing and I was really into the Jon/Ygritte romance. After one episode I can say that I already love Rose Leslie as Ygritte. Good casting there. She's pretty, but its a down to earth and simple type beauty which is how I imagined her.

[Wjaykusuma]

She didn't say the epic line on last episode

[Chelly]

Wjaykusuma, on 09 May 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

She didn't say the epic line on last episode

I wouldn't worry too much. There will be plenty of that to come next season.

[Jonas Schreiber]

So I think it's pretty obvious now, that Jon will not find Yoren. I think he will be pursueded by Ygritte to join the Wildlings. And I think it makes sense.

Yoren's dying wishes that Jon switch sides to gain knowledge of the Free Folk was really just a mechanism to facilitate Jon's (deceptive) defection. I think this way will work out much better.

Also, I LOVE the casting of Ygritte! Any thoughts?

I'm posting this here because new topics in the HBO section are moderated which is a policy to which I would like to voice my opposition.

[firebird]

she said the line this past episode! Loved it. She's great as Ygritte.

[J_Crews]

Jonas Schreiber, on 14 May 2012 - 12:43 AM, said:

So I think it's pretty obvious now, that Jon will not find Yoren. I think he will be pursueded by Ygritte to join the Wildlings. And I think it makes sense.

Yoren's dying wishes that Jon switch sides to gain knowledge of the Free Folk was really just a mechanism to facilitate Jon's (deceptive) defection. I think this way will work out much better.

Also, I LOVE the casting of Ygritte! Any thoughts?

I'm posting this here because new topics in the HBO section are moderated which is a policy to which I would like to voice my opposition.

I am seriously digging Rose Leslie as Ygritte, which I said when I started this thread.  As for the rest... no.

Based on episode summaries released weeks ago and posted by me here, the Quorin thing is still happening.  The episode 10 preview states "Jon proves himself to Qhorin."  I'm assuming next week Jon will be shown to be a prisoner of the wildlings, being drug around the way he was dragging Ygritte around, then in episode 10 (ep. 9 is all the Battle of the Blackwater) Quorin gets captured as well; by the end of the episode, he'll have ordered Jon to pretend to turn his cloak and to do whatever he must to prove himself a true turncloak, so the wildlings will buy it.

Jon can't really turn his cloak.  If he does, then he's a contemptible oathbreaker, deserving of death.

[Crown]

Rose Leslie is awesome, I have yet to see last night's episode (downloading right now), but she's pretty!

EDIT: Saw the episode, and usually I don't use smileys but:

Edited by Crown, 14 May 2012 - 10:41 AM.

[7V3N]

I love her. She is sexy, but also taunting and bold and sarcastic in the Ygritte way. Perfect casting and excellent acting. The dialogue seems well written for the North. I just don't like how they changed the story. Now Jon killing Halfhand is going to be completely different. Likely the wildling force them (as prisoners) to fight, or Halfhand gets Jon to turn sides then Rattleshirt demands he kills Halfhand to prove he's for real.

[Independent George]

I'm skeptical of the way they're changing Jon's plot, but show-Ygritte is friggin' awesome. She's a marked improvement on the book version, who always seemed two-dimensional to me. I was laughing out loud at the way she mocked Jon; it wasn't just in character, it added to her character.

Spoiler

As long as they're changing things, I hope that in S3, it actually is Jon's arrow that kills her. At the very least, make it ambiguous - let him spend the rest of his days wondering if it was him. I always thought it was a cheat that he knew flat-out that it wasn't him. 

[J_Crews]

The Shadow Fox, on 14 May 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

I love her. She is sexy, but also taunting and bold and sarcastic in the Ygritte way. Perfect casting and excellent acting. The dialogue seems well written for the North. I just don't like how they changed the story. Now Jon killing Halfhand is going to be completely different. Likely the wildling force them (as prisoners) to fight, or Halfhand gets Jon to turn sides then Rattleshirt demands he kills Halfhand to prove he's for real.

Yeah, I think they'll both be prisoners and Quorin will order him to do the fake heel turn and to do "whatever it takes" to prove it's real.  Either they'll make them fight or it'll be similar to the book i.e. he'll offer to turn, and Halfhand will lash-out calling him a traitor, etc. and then Rattleshirt'll give them weapons so they can fight; or maybe he'll make Jon kill him unarmed, but I doubt the other free folk would like that very much.  It's all gonna shake-out the same, though.  His speech to Jon about them already being dead men who's duty is to lay their life down for the realms of men was foreshadowing.

[J_Crews]

Independent George, on 14 May 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

I'm skeptical of the way they're changing Jon's plot, but show-Ygritte is friggin' awesome. She's a marked improvement on the book version, who always seemed two-dimensional to me. I was laughing out loud at the way she mocked Jon; it wasn't just in character, it added to her character.

Spoiler

As long as they're changing things, I hope that in S3, it actually is Jon's arrow that kills her. At the very least, make it ambiguous - let him spend the rest of his days wondering if it was him. I always thought it was a cheat that he knew flat-out that it wasn't him. 

I could get behind that.

[Jonas Schreiber]

J.S. Crews, on 14 May 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

Based on episode summaries released weeks ago and posted by me here, the Quorin thing is still happening.  The episode 10 preview states "Jon proves himself to Qhorin."  I'm assuming next week Jon will be shown to be a prisoner of the wildlings, being drug around the way he was dragging Ygritte around, then in episode 10 (ep. 9 is all the Battle of the Blackwater) Quorin gets captured as well; by the end of the episode, he'll have ordered Jon to pretend to turn his cloak and to do whatever he must to prove himself a true turncloak, so the wildlings will buy it.

Jon can't really turn his cloak.  If he does, then he's a contemptible oathbreaker, deserving of death.

Even without the episode summaries you raise an excellent point. I completely agree.

[Chelly]

Her line delivery of "You know nothing, Jon Snow" was so perfect. It was exactly how I imagined she said it. She doesn't say it to be cute, she says it because she really believes Jon knows jackshit about the world and she's trying to open his eyes. Later on, I think she meant it sometimes as an endearment to him because I think his innocence is what drew her to him in the first place, but she really does wants Jon to learn and wise up a little bit because she cares about him and wants him to survive this brutal, crazy world.

[J_Crews]

Jonas Schreiber, on 14 May 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:

Even without the episode summaries you raise an excellent point. I completely agree.

I just added the link to the thread with the summaries, so you could check them out if so inclined.

[boojam]

J.S. Crews, on 14 May 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

Jon can't really turn his cloak.  If he does, then he's a contemptible oathbreaker, deserving of death.

Well he does break his vows*, but not turn his cloak.
This is a big issue in SoS, which ,at least, Stannis sees as so much clap trap and turns the tide for Jon.

(But the by,  about two thirds of George's oath is very poetic, the part about being celibate non family man with a sword just seems like a load of horse pucky to to me. Just to pick one example the Spartans didn't do that and I would put them up against the NW any day.... and even the Spartans might not have stood a chance against the Mongols or the Comanche (who were polygamous).

[AsoiafFTW!]

boojam, on 15 May 2012 - 10:35 AM, said:

Well he does break his vows*, but not turn his cloak.
This is a big issue in SoS, which ,at least, Stannis sees as so much clap trap and turns the tide for Jon.

(But the by,  about two thirds of George's oath is very poetic, the part about being celibate non family man with a sword just seems like a load of horse pucky to to me. Just to pick one example the Spartans didn't do that and I would put them up against the NW any day.... and even the Spartans might not have stood a chance against the Mongols or the Comanche (who were polygamous).

the nw's duty is to fuck them others up their arses. they can't be thinking about their wifes, childs, dogs and stuff like that, they have to be 100% dedicated to what lies beyond the wall.

[J_Crews]

boojam, on 15 May 2012 - 10:35 AM, said:

about two thirds of George's oath is very poetic, the part about being celibate non family man with a sword just seems like a load of horse pucky to to me. Just to pick one example the Spartans didn't do that and I would put them up against the NW any day.... and even the Spartans might not have stood a chance against the Mongols or the Comanche (who were polygamous).

I've noticed the shift in tone as well, and wondered if all that mess about taking no wives was something added after the Night's King fiasco.

[House Snow]

She and Jon have wierdly good chemistry.  I was sure it was going to be impossible for anyone to have chemistry with Jon.

[Giskard Reventlov]

After a couple of episodes Ygritte definitely looks very good. I mean, actress is well casted and doing quite a good job.

One could argue about the changes made in tv show compared to books but thats not the point in this thread, I think.

[Independent George]

House Snow, on 15 May 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

She and Jon have wierdly good chemistry.  I was sure it was going to be impossible for anyone to have chemistry with Jon.

What about all the sexual tension in all the scenes between Jon and Sam?