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GRRM ON LAND OF ALWAYS WINTER?


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#81 A Man

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 03:03 PM

View Posthimalyanjon, on 04 May 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

really when does he say that ???
It's early in book 1. I took this text from The Citadel:
"Bran looked down. There was nothing below him now but snow and cold and death, a frozen wasteland where jagged blue-white spires of ice waited to embrace him. They flew up at him like spears. He saw the bones of a thousand other dreamers impaled upon their points. He was desperately afraid."
While I kind of like the theories put forward about Davos or Benjen (though I do still think he's Coldhands) I think that we'll learn about the LoAW from Bran, through the mechanism implied in the quote.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 11:33 PM

View PostA Man, on 07 May 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

It's early in book 1. I took this text from The Citadel:
"Bran looked down. There was nothing below him now but snow and cold and death, a frozen wasteland where jagged blue-white spires of ice waited to embrace him. They flew up at him like spears. He saw the bones of a thousand other dreamers impaled upon their points. He was desperately afraid."
While I kind of like the theories put forward about Davos or Benjen (though I do still think he's Coldhands) I think that we'll learn about the LoAW from Bran, through the mechanism implied in the quote.

wow i agree i missed that this does sound like the land of always winter

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 09:03 AM

View PostA Man, on 07 May 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

It's early in book 1. I took this text from The Citadel:
"Bran looked down. There was nothing below him now but snow and cold and death, a frozen wasteland where jagged blue-white spires of ice waited to embrace him. They flew up at him like spears. He saw the bones of a thousand other dreamers impaled upon their points. He was desperately afraid."
While I kind of like the theories put forward about Davos or Benjen (though I do still think he's Coldhands) I think that we'll learn about the LoAW from Bran, through the mechanism implied in the quote.
There’s more:

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Bran looked down, and felt his insides turn to water. The ground was rushing up at him now. The whole world was spread out below him, a tapestry of white and brown and green. He could see everything so clearly that for a moment he forgot to be afraid. He could see the whole realm, and everyone in it.
He saw Winterfell as the eagles see it, the tall towers looking squat and stubby from above, the castle walls just lines in the dirt. He saw Maester Luwin on his balcony, studying the sky through a polished bronze tube and frowning as he made notes in a book. He saw his brother Robb, taller and stronger than he remembered him, practicing swordplay in the yard with real steel in his hand. He saw Hodor, the simple giant from the stables, carrying an anvil to Mikken’s forge, hefting it onto his shoulder as easily as another man might heft a bale of hay. At the heart of the godswood, the great white weirwood brooded over its reflection in the black pool, its leaves rustling in a chill wind. When it felt Bran watching, it lifted its eyes from the still waters and stared back at him knowingly.
He looked east, and saw a galley racing across the waters of the Bite. He saw his mother sitting alone in a cabin, looking at a bloodstained knife on a table in front of her, as the rowers pulled at their oars and Ser Rodrik leaned across a rail, shaking and heaving. A storm was gathering ahead of them, a vast dark roaring lashed by lightning, but somehow they could not see it.
He looked south, and saw the great blue-green rush of the Trident. He saw his father pleading with the king, his face etched with grief. He saw Sansa crying herself to sleep at night, and he saw Arya watching in silence and holding her secrets hard in her heart. There were shadows all around them. One shadow was dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound. Another was armoured like the sun, golden and beautiful. Over them both loomed a giant in armour made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood.
He lifted his eyes and saw clear across the narrow sea, to the Free Cities and the green Dothraki sea and beyond, to Vaes Dothrak under its mountain, to the fabled lands of the Jade Sea, to Asshai by the Shadow, where dragons stirred beneath the sunrise.
Finally he looked north. He saw the Wall shining like blue crystal, and his bastard brother Jon sleeping alone in a cold bed, his skin growing pale and hard as the memory of all warmth fled from him. And he looked past the Wall, past endless forests cloaked in snow, past the frozen shore and the great blue-white rivers of ice and the dead plains where nothing grew or lived. North and north and north he looked, to the curtain of light at the end of the world, and then beyond that curtain. He looked deep into the heart of winter, and then he cried out, afraid, and the heat of his tears burned on his cheeks.
While there certainly is a prophetic or whatever element to this, part of it seems to be plain seeing, e.g. seeing Luwin and Hodor. Like he sees his parents in remote places, and not mediated through weirwoods.
As I said, this experience of Varamyr seems comparable:

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The white world turned and fell away. For a moment it was as if he were inside the weirwood, gazing out through carved red eyes as a dying man twitched feebly on the ground and a madwoman danced blind and bloody underneath the moon, weeping red tears and ripping at her clothes. Then both were gone and he was rising, melting, his spirit borne on some cold wind. He was in the snow and in the clouds, he was a sparrow, a squirrel, an oak. A horned owl flew silently between his trees, hunting a hare; Varamyr was inside the owl, inside the hare, inside the trees. Deep below the frozen ground, earthworms burrowed blindly in the dark, and he was them as well. I am the wood, and everything that’s in it, he thought, exulting. A hundred ravens took to the air, cawing as they felt him pass. A great elk trumpeted, unsettling the children clinging to his back. A sleeping direwolf raised his head to snarl at empty air.


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 12:17 PM

View PostRoughspun, on 11 May 2012 - 09:03 AM, said:

There’s more:

While there certainly is a prophetic or whatever element to this, part of it seems to be plain seeing, e.g. seeing Luwin and Hodor. Like he sees his parents in remote places, and not mediated through weirwoods.
As I said, this experience of Varamyr seems comparable:

yeah the complete part doesn't look much like prophetic but the 3 lines do don't they???

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 12:49 PM

Bran and Jon go to Land of Always Winter together, bro road trip. Seriously it would be nice to see some of the Starks meet up.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 02:10 PM

This part is also prophetic (About the Mountain losing his head and still living...):

There were shadows all around them. One shadow was dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound. Another was armoured like the sun, golden and beautiful. Over them both loomed a giant in armour made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood.


So I think we can agree that for some events we know that they happened, and for some we don't know if they have or haven't (e.g.Jon Snow)


Edited by dreamcatcher, 11 May 2012 - 02:11 PM.


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Posted 12 May 2012 - 05:28 PM

I think Dany will go there of Bran. Dany, because someone said in a other tread that she would be coming to westeros in an other way... Don't know

I would like to say that I hadn't read the comnments above me, so to that I rectify my comment...

Edited by I_Am_Legend, 13 May 2012 - 09:17 AM.


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Posted 18 May 2012 - 03:28 PM

View PostRoughspun, on 11 May 2012 - 09:03 AM, said:

While there certainly is a prophetic or whatever element to this, part of it seems to be plain seeing, e.g. seeing Luwin and Hodor. Like he sees his parents in remote places, and not mediated through weirwoods.

Yeah, my comment hinges on the idea that Bran really was, to a large extent, really seeing these images. So long as he was really seeing the world through his awakening warg powers, and it's not just a prophetic dream, then we have a mechanism through which Bran can visit the Land of Always Winter. It seems to me that he really saw the lands, that other seers had the ability to do the same, and that the Others have defenses against them. (I hope I addressed your response properly, I'm not sure if I did)

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 06:41 AM

I think there's a danger of overanalysing this one. Sure Bran can "fly" and has already seen something up there beyond the rainbow, but I think any reasonable interpretation of GRRM's remark is that somebody or other is going to physically hike up there.

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 09:28 PM

View PostBlack Crow, on 19 May 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

I think there's a danger of overanalysing this one. Sure Bran can "fly" and has already seen something up there beyond the rainbow, but I think any reasonable interpretation of GRRM's remark is that somebody or other is going to physically hike up there.

someone will go there how else will the readers "discover" the lands, I have a theory i think others might have a ogre kind of socitey or even a city there and jon might end up there as undead yet some part alive.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 02:44 AM

It would be quite hard for anyone to get up there through the snow, then there are the wights to deal with.    I think the person who is going to visit the lands of always winter, has to be up North past the wall already.  Either Bran via warging, or hopefully Benjen.  I remembered someone mentioning that some NW, I think it was Benjen or Qhorin was trapped up North, and had to stay there for half a winter or something like that.  So my hopes are on him still being alive.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:35 AM

View Postbinga, on 11 May 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

Bran and Jon go to Land of Always Winter together, bro road trip. Seriously it would be nice to see some of the Starks meet up.

Bro road trip! Bro road trip! I really like this idea, it would be a cool way to really start bringing the Stark storylines back together-- but with Bran stuck with Bloodraven/CotF and Jon presumably stuck at the Wall for some time (whether he's actually dead, going to heal naturally, or be somehow resurrected) it just doesn't seem likely.

It would be tits to see Benjen again and have him be the POV in the LoAW, and I think that may well be what's going to happen.  But, another thought for the sake of pontification, and I'm sorry if somebody's already brought this up-- Theon?

Is it possible that Bran will speak to him through the weirwood and offer him some sort of shot at redemption by heading north? Perhaps he won't be the POV in the LoAW, but I feel like he may have a major role up north somehow.

Regardless, I'm excited to see what happens.  Here's to hoping it doesn't take another 5 years for TWOW to come out. With season 2 of GoT drawing to a close, and having just finished ADWD, I'm going to be totally lost!

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 05:52 AM

View PostBrojenReed, on 21 May 2012 - 09:35 AM, said:

Bro road trip! Bro road trip! I really like this idea, it would be a cool way to really start bringing the Stark storylines back together-- but with Bran stuck with Bloodraven/CotF and Jon presumably stuck at the Wall for some time (whether he's actually dead, going to heal naturally, or be somehow resurrected) it just doesn't seem likely.

It would be tits to see Benjen again and have him be the POV in the LoAW, and I think that may well be what's going to happen.  But, another thought for the sake of pontification, and I'm sorry if somebody's already brought this up-- Theon?

Is it possible that Bran will speak to him through the weirwood and offer him some sort of shot at redemption by heading north? Perhaps he won't be the POV in the LoAW, but I feel like he may have a major role up north somehow.

Regardless, I'm excited to see what happens.  Here's to hoping it doesn't take another 5 years for TWOW to come out. With season 2 of GoT drawing to a close, and having just finished ADWD, I'm going to be totally lost!

or mayebe they will all come up across robb stark who maybe know undead and changed into great other

PS george rr martin has said he will complete the two books within such a timescape that there is no gap b/w season 5 and 6 :drool:

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 06:16 AM

View Posthimalyanjon, on 01 May 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

here's George rr martin "And what lies really north in my books—we haven't explored that yet, but we will in the last two books." to explore it someone will have to go there, and i was thinking who would be the best candidate.... jon, bran or someone else i'm sure it will be a major character and how will they go there AND OTHERS ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE ONLY WIGHTS THERE SO MY QUESTION IS WHO WILL BE THe PERSON AND WILL THEY BE A WHIGHT????? (my money's on jon as a coldhand sort of a wight.)

Wow! Can we have a link to the interview/conversation please?

I am excited as hell about this boys, I would admit that I haven't shown much interest so far to the whole Others and their incoming war on the wall compared to the political drama in Westeros and Essos. This sounds awesomesauce.

I want Jon/Ghost to explore the lands and defeat the Others and be Azor Ahai. Also I want Jon to be not dead. And please no un-Jon

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 08:13 AM

View Postraggin, on 22 May 2012 - 06:16 AM, said:

Wow! Can we have a link to the interview/conversation please?

I am excited as hell about this boys, I would admit that I haven't shown much interest so far to the whole Others and their incoming war on the wall compared to the political drama in Westeros and Essos. This sounds awesomesauce.

I want Jon/Ghost to explore the lands and defeat the Others and be Azor Ahai. Also I want Jon to be not dead. And please no un-Jon

http://www.smartertr...tml?id=10593041

cheers i rea it 5 times :cool4:

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:21 PM

View PostDreadnaught, on 21 May 2012 - 02:44 AM, said:

It would be quite hard for anyone to get up there through the snow, then there are the wights to deal with. I think the person who is going to visit the lands of always winter, has to be up North past the wall already.  Either Bran via warging, or hopefully Benjen.  I remembered someone mentioning that some NW, I think it was Benjen or Qhorin was trapped up North, and had to stay there for half a winter or something like that.  So my hopes are on him still being alive.

of late i have started favouring the king of skagos rickon :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:50 PM

I'm thinking we might see it through Jon PoV's. He's not going anywhere for a while and a weird, warg/coma trip gives Martin plenty of license and room for manoeuvre .

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:55 PM

View PostBigBucket, on 22 May 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

I'm thinking we might see it through Jon PoV's. He's not going anywhere for a while and a weird, warg/coma trip gives Martin plenty of license and room for manoeuvre .
jon or bran is what all are saying with benjen and davos next best option i

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:58 PM

View Posthimalyanjon, on 22 May 2012 - 12:55 PM, said:

jon or bran is what all are saying with benjen and davos next best option i

I read the thread but thanks...

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 01:01 PM

View PostBigBucket, on 22 May 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

I read the thread but thanks...
yea but i dont think it will be though it will be rickon and army of cannibals :box: