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[The Smiling Eye]

What do you think of him? Do you like, or despise the character?

What do you think his ultimate fate will be?

He's quickly becoming one of my favourite characters, he's just awesome.

[butterbumps!]

Could you elaborate on what makes him awesome?  (I'm legitimately curious)

[Lord Littlefinger's Lash]

butterbumps!, on 04 May 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

Could you elaborate on what makes him awesome? (I'm legitimately curious)

Lord Littlefinger, on 29 April 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

Euron who burned the Lannister Fleet in Lannisport?  Euron who sailed the smoking sea and found a dragon horn and dragon egg.  Euron who either is or hired a faceless man to rid himself of Balon?  Euron who won the Kingsmoot?  Euron who sacked the shield islands, nearly sacked old town, is threatening the Highgarden, the Arbor and Slaver's Bay at once?  Euron who captured and brought to heel the Warlocks of Qarth?  Who was likely visited by Bloodraven? Who may well be a Greenseer, himself?

If a thousand ships set sail, three hundred may reach the far side of the narrow sea... and then what? Lys will not welcome us, nor will Volantis. Where will you find fresh water, food? The first storm will scatter us across half the earth.”

A smile played across Euron’s blue lips. “I am the storm, my lord. The first storm, and the last. I have taken the Silence on longer voyages than this, and ones far more hazardous. Have you forgotten? I have sailed the Smoking Sea and seen Valyria.”

“No godless man—”

“—may sit the Seastone Chair, aye.” Euron glanced about the tent. “As it happens as I have oft sat upon the Seastone Chair of late. It raises no objections.” His smiling eye was glittering. “Who knows more of gods than I? Horse gods and fire gods, gods made of gold with gemstone eyes, gods carved of cedar wood, gods chiseled into mountains, gods of empty air... I know them all. I have seen their peoples garland them with flowers, and shed the blood of goats and bulls and children in their names. And I have heard the prayers, in half a hundred tongues. Cure my withered leg, make the maiden love me, grant me a healthy son. Save me, succor me, make me wealthy... protect me! Protect me from mine enemies, protect me from the darkness, protect me from the crabs inside my belly, from the horselords, from the slavers, from the sellswords at my door. Protect me from the Silence.” He laughed. “Godless? Why, Aeron, I am the godliest man ever to raise sail! You serve one god, Damphair, but I have served ten thousand. From Ib to Asshai, when men see my sails, they pray.”

The priest raised a bony finger. “They pray to trees and golden idols and goat-headed abominations. False gods...”

“Just so,” said Euron, “and for that sin I kill them all. I spill their blood upon the sea and sow their screaming women with my seed. Their little gods cannot stop me, so plainly they are false gods. I am more devout than even you, Aeron. Perhaps it should be you who kneels to me for blessing.”

The Red Oarsman laughed loudly at that, and the others took their lead from him.

“Fools,” said the priest, “fools and thralls and blind men, that is what you are. Do you not see what stands before you?”

“A king,” said Quellon Humble.

The Damphair spat, and strode out into the night.

When he was gone, the Crow’s Eye turned his smiling eye upon Victarion. “Lord Captain, have you no greeting for a brother long away? Nor you, Asha? How fares your lady mother?”

“Poorly,” Asha said. “Some man made her a widow.”

Euron shrugged. “I had heard the Storm God swept Balon to his death. Who is this man who slew him? Tell me his name, niece, so I might revenge myself on him.”

Asha got to her feet. “You know his name as well as I. Three years you were gone from us, and yet Silence returns within a day of my lord father’s death.”

“Do you accuse me?” Euron asked mildly.

“Should I?” The sharpness in Asha’s voice made Victarion frown. It was dangerous to speak so to the Crow’s Eye, even when his smiling eye was shining with amusement.

“Do I command the winds?” the Crow’s Eye asked his pets.

“No, Your Grace,” said Orkwood of Orkmont.

“No man commands the winds,” said Germund Botley.

“Would that you did,” the Red Oarsman said. “You would sail wherever you liked and never be becalmed.”

“There you have it, from the mouths of three brave men,” Euron said. “The Silence was at sea when Balon died. If you doubt an uncle’s word, I give you leave to ask my crew.”....

.....“IRONMEN,” said Euron Greyjoy, “you have heard my horn. Now hear my words. I am Balon’s brother, Quellon’s eldest living son. Lord Vickon’s blood is in my veins, and the blood of the Old Kraken. Yet I have sailed farther than any of them. Only one living kraken has never known defeat. Only one has never bent his knee. Only one has sailed to Asshai by the Shadow, and seen wonders and terrors beyond imagining...”

“If you liked the Shadow so well, go back there,” called out pink-cheeked Qarl the Maid, one of Asha’s champions.

The Crow’s Eye ignored him. “My little brother would finish Balon’s war, and claim the north. My sweet niece would give us peace and pinecones.” His blue lips twisted in a smile. “Asha prefers victory to defeat. Victarion wants a kingdom, not a few scant yards of earth. From me, you shall have both.

“Crow’s Eye, you call me. Well, who has a keener eye than the crow? After every battle the crows come in their hundreds and their thousands to feast upon the fallen. A crow can espy death from afar. And I say that all of Westeros is dying. Those who follow me will feast until the end of their days.

“We are the ironborn, and once we were conquerors. Our writ ran everywhere the sound of the waves was heard. My brother would have you be content with the cold and dismal north, my niece with even less... but I shall give you Lannisport. Highgarden. The Arbor. Oldtown. The riverlands and the Reach, the kingswood and the rainwood, Dorne and the marches, the Mountains of the Moon and the Vale of Arryn, Tarth and the Stepstones. I say we take it all! I say, we take Westeros.” He glanced at the priest. “All for the greater glory of our Drowned God, to be sure.”

For half a heartbeat even Aeron was swept away by the boldness of his words. The priest had dreamed the same dream, when first he’d seen the red comet in the sky. We shall sweep over the green lands with fire and sword, root out the seven gods of the septons and the white trees of the northmen...

“Crow’s Eye,” Asha called, “did you leave your wits at Asshai? If we cannot hold the north—and we cannot—how can we win the whole of the Seven Kingdoms?”

“Why, it has been done before. Did Balon teach his girl so little of the ways of war? Victarion, our brother’s daughter has never heard of Aegon the Conqueror, it would seem.”

“Aegon?” Victarion crossed his arms against his armored chest. “What has the Conqueror to do with us?”

“I know as much of war as you do, Crow’s Eye,” Asha said. “Aegon Targaryen conquered Westeros with dragons.”

“And so shall we,” Euron Greyjoy promised. “That horn you heard I found amongst the smoking ruins that were Valyria, where no man has dared to walk but me. You heard its call, and felt its power. It is a dragon horn, bound with bands of red gold and Valyrian steel graven with enchantments. The dragonlords of old sounded such horns, before the Doom devoured them. With this horn, ironmen, I can bind dragons to my will.”

Asha laughed aloud. “A horn to bind goats to your will would be of more use, Crow’s Eye. There are no more dragons.”

“Again, girl, you are wrong. There are three, and I know where to find them. Surely that is worth a driftwood crown.”

“EURON!” shouted Left-Hand Lucas Codd.

“EURON! CROW’S EYE! EURON!” cried the Red Oarsman.

What else do you need to know? Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? WHAT MORE CAN I SAY!?!

Eur n! Eur n! Eur n!

Edited by Lord Littlefinger's Lash, 04 May 2012 - 07:44 PM.

[butterbumps!]

Since we both read the same books, there's no need for you to quote a tome.   As we've gone over before, I don't know exactly what parts of this you think are awesome, since you presented a way too long passage without framing what it is we're supposed to look for.  Perhaps you don't agree, but long passages like that do not present an answer as though it's self-evident fact.   All I got from that is that he is a "storm."  Yea, I think weather is super "badass" too.

[Lord Littlefinger's Lash]

butterbumps!, on 04 May 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

Since we both read the same books, there's no need for you to quote a tome. As we've gone over before, I don't know exactly what parts of this you think are awesome, since you presented a way too long passage without framing what it is we're supposed to look for. Perhaps you don't agree, but long passages like that do not present an answer as though it's self-evident fact. All I got from that is that he is a "storm." Yea, I think weather is super "badass" too.

well that's a quote of what i usually post when someone asks what's so great about Euron. Some of it is original. the italics and indented portion is quoted from the book.... its less than a page. its all stuff i think is awesome...I don't know how its not self-evident..l. so lets see here... there first three lines are the executive summary....

Euron who burned the Lannister Fleet in Lannisport?  Euron who sailed the smoking sea and found a dragon horn and dragon egg.  Euron who either is or hired a faceless man to rid himself of Balon?  Euron who won the Kingsmoot?  Euron who sacked the shield islands, nearly sacked old town, is threatening the Highgarden, the Arbor and Slaver's Bay at once?  Euron who captured and brought to heel the Warlocks of Qarth?  Who was likely visited by Bloodraven? Who may well be a Greenseer, himself?

[Cheese Pudding]

Wait...wait

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] Who was likely visited by Bloodraven? Who may well be a Greenseer, himself?

what?

From which thread was this quote, Lord Littlefinger's Lash?

Edited by Cheese Pudding, 04 May 2012 - 08:11 PM.

[Francis Buck]

I also think Euron's kinda awesome. I mean he borders on being cartoonishly villainous, but he's still just an interesting combination of (mostly evil) features that no other character has. He's like half-way between Ramsay and Roose; he has the psycho-sadistic tendencies of Ramsay, while still being cunning and intelligent like Roose. Also there's a shitload of mystery surrounding his character and what he's up to. You just know that he's playing Victarion like a flute in regards to Dany and the dragonhorn.

Edited by Francis Buck, 04 May 2012 - 08:13 PM.

[Arkash]

I'm a big fan of Euron. For me he's one of the man with the greatest knowledge of the world... if someone is ever to tell us what lies beyond the Sunet Sea, or the Shivering Sea, or data about Sothoros, it will be him.

[Lord Littlefinger's Lash]

Cheese Pudding, on 04 May 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

Wait...wait what? From which thread was this quote, Lord Littlefinger's Lash?

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“When I was a boy, I dreamt that I could fly,” he announced. “When I woke, I couldn’t... or so the maester said. But what if he lied?”
Victarion could smell the sea through the open window, though the room stank of wine and blood and sex. The cold salt air helped to clear his head. “What do you mean?”
Euron turned to face him, his bruised blue lips curled in a half smile. “Perhaps we can fly. All of us. How will we ever know unless we leap from some tall tower?” The wind came gusting through the window and stirred his sable cloak. There was something obscene and disturbing about his nakedness. “No man ever truly knows what he can do unless he dares to leap.”
“There is the window. Leap.” Victarion had no patience for this. His wounded hand was troubling him. “What do you want?”
“The world.” Firelight glimmered in Euron’s eye. His smiling eye.

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It seemed as though he had been falling for years.
Fly, a voice whispered in the darkness, but Bran did not know ‘thow to fly, so all he could do was fall.
Maester Luwin made a little boy of clay, baked him till he was hard and brittle, dressed him in Bran’s clothes, and flung him off a roof. Bran remembered the way he shattered. “But I never fall,” he said, falling.
The ground was so far below him he could barely make it out through the grey mists that whirled around him, but he could feel how fast he was falling, and he knew what was waiting for him down there. Even in dreams, you could not fall forever. He would wake up in the instant before he hit the ground, he knew. You always woke up in the instant before you hit the ground.
And if you don’t? the voice asked.
The ground was closer now, still far far away, a thousand miles away, but closer than it had been. It was cold here in the darkness. There was no sun, no stars, only the ground below coming up to smash him, and the grey mists, and the whispering voice. He wanted to cry.
Not cry. Fly.
“I can’t fly,” Bran said. “I can’t, I can’t
How do you know? Have you ever tried?
The voice was high and thin. Bran looked around to see where it was coming from. A crow was spiraling down with him, just out of reach, following him as he fell. “Help me,” he said.
I’m trying, the crow replied. Say, got any corn?
Bran reached into his pocket as the darkness spun dizzily around him. When he pulled his hand out, golden kernels slid from between his fingers into the air. They fell with him.
The crow landed on his hand and began to eat.
“Are you really a crow?” Bran asked.
Are you really falling? the crow asked back.
“It’s just a dream,” Bran said.
Is it? asked the crow.
“I’ll wake up when I hit the ground,” Bran told the bird.
You’ll die when you hit the ground, the crow said. It went back to eating corn.
Bran looked down. He could see mountains now, their peaks white with snow, and the silver thread of rivers in dark woods. He closed his eyes and began to cry.
That won’t do any good, the crow said. I told you, the answer is flying, not crying. How hard can it be? I’m doing it. The crow took to the air and flapped around Bran’s hand.
“You have wings,” Bran pointed out.
Maybe you do too.
Bran felt along his shoulders, groping for feathers.
There are different kinds of wings, the crow said.
Bran was staring at his arms, his legs. He was so skinny, just skin stretched taut over bones. Had he always been so thin? He tried to remember. A face swam up at him out of the grey mist, shining with light, golden. “The things I do for love,” it said.
Bran screamed.
The crow took to the air, cawing. Not that, it shrieked at him. Forget that, you do not need it now, put it aside, put it away. It landed on Bran’s shoulder, and pecked at him, and the shining golden face was gone.
Bran was falling faster than ever. The grey mists howled around him as he plunged toward the earth below. “What are you doing to me?” he asked the crow, tearful.
Teaching you how to fly.
“I can’t fly!”
You’re flying tight now.
“I’m falling!”
Every flight begins with a fall, the crow said. Look down.
“I’m afraid...”
LOOKDOWN!
Bran looked down, and felt his insides turn to water. The ground was rushing up at him now. The whole world was spread out below him, a tapestry of white and brown and green. He could see everything so clearly that for a moment he forgot to be afraid. He could see the whole realm, and everyone in it.
He saw Winterfell as the eagles see it, the tall towers looking squat and stubby from above, the castle walls just lines in the dirt. He saw Maester Luwin on his balcony, studying the sky through a polished bronze tube and frowning as he made notes in a book. He saw his brother Robb, taller and stronger than he remembered him, practicing swordplay in the yard with real steel in his hand. He saw Hodor, the simple giant from the stables, carrying an anvil to Mikken’s forge, hefting it onto his shoulder as easily as another man might heft a bale of hay. At the heart of the godswood, the great white weirwood brooded over its reflection in the black pool, its leaves rustling in a chill wind. When it felt Bran watching, it lifted its eyes from the still waters and stared back at him knowingly.
He looked east, and saw a galley racing across the waters of the Bite. He saw his mother sitting alone in a cabin, looking at a bloodstained knife on a table in front of her, as the rowers pulled at their oars and Ser Rodrik leaned across a rail, shaking and heaving. A storm was gathering ahead of them, a vast dark roaring lashed by lightning, but somehow they could not see it.
He looked south, and saw the great blue-green rush of the Trident. He saw his father pleading with the king, his face etched with grief. He saw Sansa crying herself to sleep at night, and he saw Arya watching in silence and holding her secrets hard in her heart. There were shadows all around them. One shadow was dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound. Another was armored like the sun, golden and beautiful. Over them both loomed a giant in armor made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood.
He lifted his eyes and saw clear across the narrow sea, to the Free Cities and the green Dothraki sea and beyond, to Vaes Dothrak under its mountain, to the fabled lands of the Jade Sea, to Asshai by the Shadow, where dragons stirred beneath the sunrise.
Finally he looked north. He saw the Wall shining like blue crystal, and his bastard brother Jon sleeping alone in a cold bed, his skin growing pale and hard as the memory of all warmth fled from him. And he looked past the Wall, past endless forests cloaked in snow, past the frozen shore and the great blue-white rivers of ice and the dead plains where nothing grew or lived. North and north and north he looked, to the curtain of light at the end of the world, and then beyond that curtain. He looked deep into the heart of winter, and then he cried out, afraid, and the heat of his tears burned on his cheeks.
Now you know, the crow whispered as it sat on his shoulder. Now you know why you must live.
“Why?” Bran said, not understanding, falling, falling.
Because winter is coming.

[Mark Antony]

By far my favorite Ironborn.

[Lord Littlefinger's Lash]

Francis Buck, on 04 May 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

I also think Euron's kinda awesome. I mean he borders on being cartoonishly villainous, but he's still just an interesting combination of (mostly evil) features that no other character has. He's like half-way between Ramsay and Roose; he has the psycho-sadistic tendencies of Ramsay,

he does not.

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while still being cunning and intelligent like Roose. Also there's a shitload of mystery surrounding his character and what he's up to. You just know that he's playing Victarion like a flute in regards to Dany and the dragonhorn.

Euron's actions don't seem to be random, like a Gregor, a Ramsay, a Rorge, a Joffrey, a Aerys.  As in the quote I used earlier, elimination of potential rivals through psychological warfare is fair game, as far as i'm concerned. Particularly in Westeros where curses appear to be real and kin slaying is said to invoke the worst of them.

Edited by Lord Littlefinger's Lash, 04 May 2012 - 08:25 PM.

[Cheese Pudding]

This could be true, but it's unlikely. Thanks for the enlightenment.

[Lord Littlefinger's Lash]

Cheese Pudding, on 04 May 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

This could be true, but it's unlikely. Thanks for the enlightenment.

i don't think so. its a quite an odd coincidence for someone with know magical inclinations.

[Howling Mad]

Euron = Ironborn scum

[Fantôme]

I already strongly disliked him when I finished the books. It's gotten even worse since discovering (and pretty much being convinced by) the Aeron molesting theory on this forum.

Edited by Fantôme, 04 May 2012 - 08:35 PM.

[Lord Littlefinger's Lash]

Howling4Reed, on 04 May 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

Euron = Ironborn scum

racist

[Lord Littlefinger's Lash]

Fantôme, on 04 May 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

I already strongly disliked him when I finished the books. It's gotten even worse since discovering (and pretty much being convinced by) the Aeron molesting theory on this forum.

meh..

We see that virtually every lord on the Iron Islands is incredibly deferential to Aeron, yet Euron maintains power over him.  It seems like a smart strategic move on Euron's part.  Compare that to Ramsay's killing of his brother or Gregors, mutilation of his.  Both actions earn them inveterate foes.

[Howling Mad]

Lord Littlefinger, on 04 May 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

racist

Racist no, anti-ironborn yes.  I do not condone raping and pillaging as a way life.

[Francis Buck]

Lord Littlefinger, on 04 May 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:

he does not.  Euron's actions don't seem to be random, like a Gregor, a Ramsay, a Rorge, a Joffrey, a Aerys.  As in the quote I used earlier, elimination of potential rivals through psychological warfare is fair game, as far as i'm concerned. Particularly in Westeros where curses appear to be real and kin slaying is said to invoke the worst of them.

I agree that in large part Euron's methods are a form of psychological warfare, but being a truly psychotic and/or sadistic person does not necessarily make one random. After-all, Ramsay's treatment of Theon is probably the most brutal (and effective) form of psychological warfare in the series. He just happens to be kind of wasting it on someone largely irrelevant. I never said that Euron was random, I said that he was psychotic and sadistic. He's obviously sadistic. A normal person doesn't do the things he does without, on some level, enjoying them (even in Westeros). And he very clearly displays, at the least, sociopathic tendencies, if not necessarily psychopathic ones. Just because he's using psychological warfare, doesn't me can't enjoy it.

My point about him being like both Ramsay and Roose is that, in the case of Roose, most of his more brutal acts seem to still serve a greater purpose, even political (a quiet people, or whatever he calls it), while with Ramsay his actions are clearly something he enjoys and don't serve a greater purpose. I believe Euron is somewhere in between these two, though he probably leans more towards the Roose side of the equation.

[Qhorin Halfhand and Yoren]

One thing I particularly liked about him is that he cured my boredom. If he was in a different book, I wouldn't look at it as fondly. Finally something very interesting happened and Euron's appearance was the reward of the first Ironborn chapters as was all the Kingsmoot in general. The chapter in the Kingsmoot that he appeared was one of the best in the book.

I don't like him as a person but I do like the fact that he is part of the story, he makes it more entertaining and this does not apply to only Euron but to other assholes (Tywin for example). Also I like to hate them.

Edited by Qhorin Halfhand and Yoren, 04 May 2012 - 08:53 PM.