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[The Greenseer]

I have been thinking that it is possible that Tommen could be Roberts trueborn son.
  A couple of things lead me to consider this:
1) He is kind natured
2) He is chubby
3) I don't recall him being described as golden haired.

I could be way off base, but what if? I doubt there is any paternity tests in Westeros that would be accepted. Could put to rest all of the claims to the crown. Anyhow it seems like whoever can take power by strength is going to do it.
Thoughts?

Edited by The Greenseer, 06 May 2012 - 10:58 AM.

[TomWillcox]

No. Cersei mentions that she avoided any chance of Robert impregnating her.

[SerMixalot]

i think the good natured part comes from Cersei having ignored him while she groomed joffrey

[Pellaeon]

It could be possible, but not likely, the fact that all of his bastards have black hair rule thiis possibility not out, Cerseis genes could dominate

[I'll pay the iron price]

I wouldnt exactly label Robert "kindly" either
Tommen didnt get that from him!

[FuzzyJAM]

1) Robert is kind natured?  What?  When is he shown to be kind or gentle or anything like that?
2) Being overweight is hardly a sure fire indicator of parentage - it says far more about lifestyle if anything, and that's shown by the fact that Robert was a muscular, fit knight for most of his life.  
3) He does have blonde hair.  

Most importantly, Cersei expressly says he's not Robert's.  


As has been said, Tommen is in no small part a nice kid because he was never groomed for rule like Joffrey by someone whose ideas of leadership are. . .well, not the best.  Of course, we don't know enough about Cersei's children to say all that much about them; who's to say who Tommen's primary influence was?

[Apple Martini]

No, all three kids are Jaime's.

Myrcella and Tommen being generally decent people is probably a combination of being largely ignored by their parents and the fact that Joffrey was a sociopath.

[The Greenseer]

Yeah I somehow doubted it, but wanted to hear what everyone else thought.

[BondJamesBond]

Just bc Cersei says tommen is jaime's does not make it so.  Condoms and vasectomies aren't even 100% so I'm sure neither are Cersei's methods that she seems so sure of.

[Apple Martini]

BondJamesBond, on 06 May 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

Just bc Cersei says tommen is jaime's does not make it so.  Condoms and vasectomies aren't even 100% so I'm sure neither are Cersei's methods that she seems so sure of.

Except for the part where Tommen has Lannister gold hair and every single one of Robert's kids has his black hair and blue eyes. And Cersei's methods seem to be keeping Robert out of her ladybusiness completely.

[BondJamesBond]

Apple Martini, on 06 May 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

Except for the part where Tommen has Lannister gold hair and every single one of Robert's kids has his black hair and blue eyes. And Cersei's methods seem to be keeping Robert out of her ladybusiness completely.

1) yeah, but all the Lannisters are blond and they have likely bred with dark haired ppl too.  Something has to give with two houses with distinctive hair color.

2) I thought Cersei "finished" him outside her lady business.  As we all know, that isn't good enough to prevent pregnancy if king Robert was poking around before being finished

Edit:  I can just see stupid Cersei incorrectly understanding what causes pregnancy and incorrectly ruling out Robert as the father

Edited by BondJamesBond, 06 May 2012 - 02:15 PM.

[Dornish Bannerman]

The only reason that Tommen and Myrcella are kinder and better than Joffrey, is that Cersei mostly ignored them. They were brought up by the better people of King's Landing.

[Buckwheat]

BondJamesBond, on 06 May 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

1) yeah, but all the Lannisters are blond and they have likely bred with dark haired ppl too.  Something has to give with two houses with distinctive hair color.

2) I thought Cersei "finished" him outside her lady business.  As we all know, that isn't good enough to prevent pregnancy if king Robert was poking around before being finished

Edit:  I can just see stupid Cersei incorrectly understanding what causes pregnancy and incorrectly ruling out Robert as the father

Cersei explicitely says that she has not allowed Robert "inside her" for years (nasty topic, I agree).

And she is not that stupid. What do you think she believed?

[Lothar Imbel]

"The seed is strong"

[devilrob6]

"He's an abomination, born of incest"

(but still a nice kid, sadly used as a pawn by his own mother and his wife's family. But at least he has his kittens)

[dollybird]

BondJamesBond, on 06 May 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

Just bc Cersei says tommen is jaime's does not make it so.  Condoms and vasectomies aren't even 100% so I'm sure neither are Cersei's methods that she seems so sure of.

I am pretty sure that Cersie's "methods" were 100% effective. She had one method, a very effective form of contraception, she just didn't sleep with Robert. She said it herself to Ned Stark, when he came to bed he was so drunk and there were other ways to keep him happy. In the morning he never knew any better. I think she was so despised Robert so much that she would have made absolute certain that he was never the father of any of her children. I also think the son that she talked to Cateyln about at Winterfell, the one that died was probably Roberts true born son. I would have to double check, I don't have the book near by, I am pretty sure she said that boy had black hair!! I wonder what that child really died from?????

[Dragonfish]

dollybird, on 06 May 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

I also think the son that she talked to Cateyln about at Winterfell, the one that died was probably Roberts true born son. I would have to double check, I don't have the book near by, I am pretty sure she said that boy had black hair!! I wonder what that child really died from?????

That scene was purely an invention of the show. Cersei never had Robert's child in the books. She did get pregnant by him once, but she aborted it.

[Dracarya]

dollybird, on 06 May 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

I am pretty sure that Cersie's "methods" were 100% effective. She had one method, a very effective form of contraception, she just didn't sleep with Robert. She said it herself to Ned Stark, when he came to bed he was so drunk and there were other ways to keep him happy. In the morning he never knew any better. I think she was so despised Robert so much that she would have made absolute certain that he was never the father of any of her children. I also think the son that she talked to Cateyln about at Winterfell, the one that died was probably Roberts true born son. I would have to double check, I don't have the book near by, I am pretty sure she said that boy had black hair!! I wonder what that child really died from?????

That's only in the TV show.

It'd be a nice twist if Tommen was Roberts', but I highly doubt it, for reasons already explained.

[tze]

I always got a "Tytos Lannister" vibe from Tommen (not martial, desperate to please everyone, etc.), which would make sense given that Tytos Lannister would be Tommen's grandfather twice-over.

[Night Gathers]

The part where Tommen is plump, both Jaime and Robert were fit during their younger years, Robert became fat afterwards.
And no, Tommen is Jaime's.