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[atia-]

Already, #3 of this thread.  Here you can bitch, whine and complain about anything you desire on the show.  But there are some rules, since this thread became a little troublesome to moderators last week.

#1 - This is not the thread to reply with things such as, "stop being such a whiner!  It's a show, not the book."  No nitpick is too big or small.

#2 - While you can't get annoyed with someone for being "too picky," you can debate the accuracy of a nitpick.  Example: "I can't believe Boros Blount hasn't been given any screen-time this season!"

#3 - This is what troubled moderators last week.  You CANNOT nitpick about actress' breasts, faces, looks, and make skeevy remarks regarding sex scenes.  I know a lot of people don't like Asha, but the hate needs to be turned down a notch (or several) regarding her appearance.  

Anyway, here are my nitpicks (even though I actually love this weeks episode.  Roose finally mentioned his bastard.  Yay!)

• I've gotten to the point where I really do believe D&D think they are are better writers than GRRM.  I understand some things need to be changed.  I liked how Osha took the place of Kyra.  She still swore fealty to Theon, and that was a way to replace Kyra.  Perfect.  However, some little things I don't understand why they are changed.  Like why does Ygritte beg for her life to Jon at first?  Tell me if I'm wrong, but I never remember Ygritte doing that.
  
• The fact that the royal family is just walking around in KL instead of being on cavalry is just ridiculous.  I mean....really?  I know it's budget/practicality concerns, but it looks silly.
  
• The scenes with Dany are also ridiculous.  Did she ever really say, "I will take what is mine with blood and fire!" this many times in the book?  It is sooooo annoying.  She is even brattier in the show than in the book.  Like I said, I don't like Dany's scenes in Qarth so I don't really care about D&D do, but it's so goofy.  And is Irri dead?  And what the hell happened and who is running off with one of her dragons?  I hated that it was the ending.
  
• Okay, how in the hell was Theon able to get ahold of Rodrik like that?
  
• I find it hard to believe that Tywin would be that talkative to his cupbearer.  And wouldn't he become like....hugely suspicious that she can read?  Also, Tywin smiles and yells in the show.  Not doing those things is one of his trademarks in the books.
  
• Littlefinger sure gets around, huh?

Edited by hk47, 07 May 2012 - 07:08 PM.

[atia-]

IT WAS A TYPO - I do NOT believe that D&D are better writers than GRRM.

Edited by hk47, 07 May 2012 - 01:37 PM.

[Morrigan]

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I've gotten to the point where I really do believe D&D are better writers than GRRM.

I stopped reading right there. This thread is dead to me.

Edited by Morrigan, 07 May 2012 - 03:39 AM.

[Sworn Shield]

Tyrion only slapped Joffrey once.

[Thunderfist]

Roose Bolton spoke too loudly, at one point he was almost yelling. And where are the leeches?!

[Zod]

How many men did Theon have on one ship anyways?

[Sensuki Dorjan]

Morrigan, on 07 May 2012 - 03:38 AM, said:

I stopped reading right there. This thread is dead to me.

Why because it's true ?

[Raylan Stark]

Sensuki Dorjan, on 07 May 2012 - 05:16 AM, said:

Why because it's true ?

Because it's laughable.  I even doubt they're better screen writers after this last episode.  I'm wondering if they read the books at all to be honest.

I can forgive condensing events and even some characters.  That's a necessity in an adaptation.  I can forgive glossing over smaller events and excising lesser characters.  Again, a necessity for an adaptation.  But their characterization of many characters misses the mark wildly.  They're changing motivations, personalities and in some cases, giving actions from one character who is important even in the show to another character.

Unnecessary changes for the sake of being cute, or thinking they can improve on the story irks me to no end.  Why didn't Jon just let Ygritte go?  What?  Not "gripping" enough?  Pfft.  It makes him look like an incompetent ass the way they made it.  And he's still stuck with a prisoner he can't guard, feed, nor escort.  I swear, if she leads him to the wildings without Qhorin.  Or we don't get Qhorin's last orders.... I'm out.

No hint at all about Jon's growing connection to Ghost.  No dragonglass...

They thought they could improve on the Qarth storyline.  Now, maybe they'll make me eat my words.  I honestly hope they do.  But so far, I've seen better drama and dialogue in a day time soap.  I used to wonder how people could hate Dany... now I get it.  They've made her into a female Viserys.  Be honest, why in hell would Selmy swear loyalty to this drama queen?  And then killing off the majority of her already sparse khalisaar?  To steal dragons?  WHY?  So she'll have to go to THOTU???  She'd want to ANYWAY!  She's not receiving any offers of help from anyone else.

The taking of Winterfell was fine to me.  I'm even ok with Rodrik's fate.  This is an acceptable use of altering things for TV.  Ditto for Harrenhall.  I'll pick my battles.  I can live with these changes.

But the riot scene.  Very good, but the whole group just walking through the streets... ugh.  Maybe Dubrovnic won't allow horses.

[Raylan Stark]

kazad, on 07 May 2012 - 04:22 AM, said:

Tyrion only slapped Joffrey once.

LOL.  Agreed.  Would it kill them to have at least one kick in there too?

[SerMixalot]

If they dont have Jon going over to the Wildings at Qhorin's orders, that will be a huge change.  His motivations will be far less noble than doing so  under orders.  And I dont think it wouild have taken much effort scriptwise, let Ygritte go, next scene they are surrounded by wildings and Qhorin sees the end and gives Jon  his orders.  just so they could put some dry humping in there

[SerMixalot]

will make it seem like jon turned his cloak for some tail

[Hear Us Roar]

only 8 people live in winterfell and theon brought like 4 guys with him.


More extras please.

[SerMixalot]

the writers were able to reduce the winterfell story nicely into this episode, getting rid of Ser Rodrik's army, that battle scene, etc quite well without losing the jist of the book

[Sensuki Dorjan]

Raylan Stark, on 07 May 2012 - 05:46 AM, said:

Because it's laughable.

You mistook me, I was agreeing with you.

This was easily the worst episode of the season, I face palmed a few times during. Particularly at the spooning, one does not simply add Twilight:Eclipse into Westeros...

Edited by Sensuki Dorjan, 07 May 2012 - 06:44 AM.

[Ser Hippie]

hk47, on 06 May 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

The fact that the royal family is just walking around in KL instead of being on cavalry is just ridiculous.  I mean....really?

Probably practical concerns (i.e. horses would likely spook during the riot scene and it'd be really dangerous for both horses and actors, if not outright impossible to film)

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Okay, how in the hell was Theon able to get ahold of Rodrik like that?  Didn't Theon have like 50 men and Rodrik 2,000?

He has 200 men in this version. I just assumed he was riding on ahead since he'd have no reason to think the Winterfell area was dangerous.

[Howland Reed]

For me Dany's scenes are almost hard to watch.  Even in the books, her chapters just didn't click until my boys Strong Belwas and The Bold got there.  More so, in the 2nd book, I barely remember anything of importance happening to her, and it seems the same in the show.  In fact it just annoys me, she seems like her brother almost, ITS MINE! I will take what is mine!  Alright... we get it.. chill out and do something about it, instead of going to people and being like, I'm the mother of dragons, you will help me!

I feel like they have strayed kinda far from the book at this point.  Even if they changed only small things, it kinda changes the way certain characters can be perceived.  I feel like Jon is a good example.  Him choosing to go with Halfhand, his whole scene with Ygritte.  He is suppose to let her go, and show that he doesn't have the heart to kill this young girl.   I feel like he is coming off too arrogant in the show (just my take), maybe not arrogant, but some word I can't quite put my tongue on.

Lastly, I guess I saw Roose Bolton a lot differently in my head than in the show.  I always saw him very melancholy, very slow, calculated, very quiet and confident.  He seems a bit too normal for me here.  I don't know, just a petpeeve.

Edited by Howland Reed, 08 May 2012 - 10:56 AM.

[Patchface12]

What was the deal with Amory Lorch and the messages? I kind of figured he wouldn't fed to a bear, but that was still kind of over the top.  

I'm assuming Pyat Pree stole Dany's dragons as a lead in for her going to the House of Undying. While I get killing Maggo (he can be replaced by a brother who wants revenge for his death) why kill Irri and Rakharo? Why r they killing off characters that don't need to die? What purpose does it serve? Not to mention they left Doreah alive when she was supposed to die (tho if she's to fill Missandei's role in the future, I can understand)

I kind of get the Ygritte thing. They're trying to make a big deal out of her, what with her future role in the next book. I kind of like her "shifting" while laying with Jon, trying to give him a chubby.

I was relieved to hear about Ramsay (I really worried Roose was going to Winterfell) but if he isn't cast, how r they going to show him/ his host?

And the Talissa/ Jeyne thing baffles me also. I understand they're trying to make a bigger deal out of her, but how is she going to try and win Robb's heart by lying to him? Wouldn't someone as honorable as Robb find it a little bit shady?

[Francys Targaryen]

Patchface12, on 07 May 2012 - 07:51 AM, said:

I kind of get the Ygritte thing. They're trying to make a big deal out of her, what with her future role in the next book. I kind of like her "shifting" while laying with Jon, trying to give him a chubby.

LOL

[atia-]

Morrigan, on 07 May 2012 - 03:38 AM, said:

I stopped reading right there. This thread is dead to me.

it was a typo...a bad one..and didn't get to fix it until much later

[Winterfellian]

Well, I never been one to nitpick much over the show and have always try to see both the books and the show as different things however this episode really left me doubting for the very first time.

Am not sure I agree with your assesment on D&D but to me it is very clear that writers did have a field day with the original material when writing this episode. Though I support or understand many of the changes (Winterfell's falling to Theon, compressing Arya's storyline, abscence of the Reeds, etc) I don't get why should they change a charcater. Either if is to make it more sympathetic
(Cercei) or more easy to hate (Stannis).

Some of the things I dislike:

- Jon's story: I think this is the weakest so far. Despite the beautiful scenary I found this episode utterly painful specially the Ygritte chase and spooning. Not to mention Jon's careless ''I will gladly give my life line''. He sounded like a douche to me. I hope they don't continue to mess more of his story and have him join the wildings because he was ''smitten'' with Ygritte or something stupid like that.

- Following Jon...no dragonglass, no wolf dreams. I wonder how will Sam ever kill the Other...by sitting on him?   

- Dany loosing the dragons I will reserve judgement to see how they play out the next episode but they are doing her a disservice by getting rid of so many of her Dothraki. They were a handful to begin with and for better or for worst they are a big part of her character.

- Talisa: Never liked her since her first appereance and still dislike her

- I too find it weird to see the King and his party walking the streets of King's Landing.

Am crossing my fingers the next episode will be better than this one.

Edited by Winterfellian, 07 May 2012 - 10:07 AM.