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[sillent]

How does a well thought out post analyzing an alternate interpretation of an event turn into yet-another-thread-about-"danny"-being-fireproof.

It's also interesting that while putting their own views forward posters rarely address the textual evidence which debunks their claim.

[DaveRoid]

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I'm incredibly annoyed that you're trying to call me "unreasonable," and accusing me of twisting things to fit my view.  I told you that the thought she'd been riding frequently had not occurred to me, and I actually did not insist this was the only way to read it.  I've mentioned 3 sets of evidence that have led me to conclude that she is not fire/heat proof: Martin's own words, her intolerance to heat that builds in Meereen, and the fact that according to the actual text "Her skin was pink and tender, and a pale milky fluid was leaking from her cracked palms, but her burns were healing."   But you are trying to use the "fact" that she's been riding throughout her entire stay as solid proof that she somehow wasn't burned.  Despite the fact that the text says she was burned.   Can you explain how I'm being "unreasonable"?

Hmm so you are misquoting me then saying you are trying to be reasonable? show me where I said her hands wasnt burned. we differ on the degree of her burns. I have provided you ample proof from the text that she did in fact rode drogon multiple times. You are now "open" to that possibility despite accusing me of misremembering the text the first time I presented it. It seems you were the one who never "considered the possibility for some reason" on your reads and rereads. instead of acknowledging this fault you proceed to misquote me. That's hardly reasonable and I am equally annoyed because of it.

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Apple, do you have that PSA those chemists wrote about the science of burning handy?

Oh you mean the forum poster who claims to be chemist that was brought up in another thread? with zero scientific links or evidence other than his say so? LOL you are subscribing to this BS? very disappointed.

You need to look at the micheal Jackson tape to see what happens when your hair catches fire if you are looking for real facts. If you still insist on this irrationality try it yourself if you think putting your hair on fire and having it burned to the root will not harm you. It will harm you. But I now realize you are not looking for facts at all. Arguing with you as a reasonable poster has been a waste of time.

Edited by DaveRoid, 21 October 2012 - 12:53 AM.

[Dr. Pepper]

DaveRoid, on 21 October 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

You need to look at the micheal Jackson tape to see what happens when your hair on fire if you are looking for real facts. If you insist otherwise try it yourself if you think putting your hair on fire and having it burned to the root will not harm you. But I now realize you are not looking for facts at all. Arguing with you as a reasonable poster has been a waste of time.

Lol, I've actually had my hair on fire. It burned to the root in the back near my neck.  Interestingly enough, it did not harm my skin.

This thread is about the pyre event.  Do you have anything to say about the pyre event?

[DaveRoid]

Dr. Pepper, on 21 October 2012 - 12:28 AM, said:

Lol, I've actually had my hair on fire. It burned to the root in the back near my neck.  Interestingly enough, it did not harm my skin.

This thread is about the pyre event.  Do you have anything to say about the pyre event?

when you mentioned it in that other thread you said you put it out with your hands immediately and it only burned some trends to the root so it is not comparable at all to someone with his/her full head on fire. And how would this safe hair burning be verified? (don't tell it to your kids please) I am not saying you are lying but micheal Jackson had completely different results from having his hair on fire for just few seconds. With life threatening injuries recorded and a verified tape to show it.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=U2lZuw3j3ro

Anyways yes we are off topic. We have already dismantled numerous similar faulty & unrealistic logic in the other thread so no need to drag the same arguments back here.

Edited by DaveRoid, 21 October 2012 - 01:04 AM.

[butterbumps!]

DaveRoid, on 21 October 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:


Hmm so you are misquoting me then saying you are trying to be reasonable? show me where I said her hands wasnt burned. we differ on the degree of her burns. I have provded you ample proof from the text that she did infact rode dragon multiple times. You are now "open" to that possibility despite accusing me of misremembering the text the first time I presented it. It seems you were the one who never "considered the possibility for some reason" on your reads and rereads. instead of acknowadging this fault you proceed to misquote me. Thats hardly reasonably and I am equally annoyed because of it.  

First, I did not “misremember” the text.  From the outset I gave you my interpretation.  It’s not a case of “misremembering” and you nailing me on it.  When you gave the passage that led you to believe she had ridden multiple times, I said this:

butterbumps!, on 20 October 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:


I get what you're saying and I think it could go either way.   Her wondering if she would feel the exaltation could be related to whether she'd be able to see these sights after walking away from dragonstone, not knowing if she'd see Drogon again after spending more time flying.  

I'd read it as her not having ridden again, though.



Either way, I don't think that the fact that her hands were severely burned is open to interpretation.


Then you very passive-aggressively said this:

DaveRoid, on 20 October 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:


Ok here is the passage confirming she rode drogon multiple time for anyone reasonable. 


Which says in a not so friendly way that I’m unreasonable for not seeing it the way you do.

But you want to use the idea that she was riding a dragon to prove that her burns were not severe (though at first you were saying that she wasn’t burned):

DaveRoid, on 20 October 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

Its really simple often repeated fanatasy formula: There is always someone special who exceed normal bonds either inherently or by the nature of practice. When she says Vis is not the blood of the dragon it means he is not that "worthy" or special character. Just like we have spacial characters in any group in fantasies, including targaryans.

Danny is fire proof, but Vicerian is not. It might come down to the purity of her blood, the character of the person, pure chance or simply being the "choosen one" by an entity or a god aka AA.

It all comes down to this : Danny is magical and special. Even among the best targaryans.

To be clear, I was arguing not only that she was burned and thus not fireproof, but specifically that her burns were severe.  I’m not misquoting you or trying to misrepresent your position.  I keep saying that the burns that we see—in their current state of description, are severe.  They are tender and oozing white fluid. And this state is described as now “healing,” which means that they were even worse.  I don’t see why you are annoyed, because I was arguing to the point you were making about the severity.

Despite the state of the burn that is described gruesomely, she gets on Drogon’s back and rides.  This tells us that for whatever reason, her burned hands are not an impediment to riding, even though the burns are described as being pretty severe.

Frankly, I don’t understand what this has to do with the pyre, because in the pyre scene, she is unmarred by the fire but for her hair.  If we accept that the fire touched her there, then it would seem to support the notion that something extrinsic was going on with this since she shows vulnerability to heat later on.  Even if you accept that she has a smidge of fire resistance, her burned hands later on points to the presence of something else happening in the pyre when she hadn’t been burned thusly.








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Oh you mean the forum poster who claims to be chemist that was brought up in another thread? with zero scientific links? LOL you are subscribing to this BS? very disappointed.

You need to look at the micheal Jackson tape to see what happens when your hair on fire if you are looking for real facts. If so you insist on this irrationality try it yourself if you think putting your hair on fire and having it burned to the root will not harm you. It will harm you. But I now realize you are not looking for facts at all. Arguing with you as a reasonable poster has been a waste of time.


I don’t understand what your issue is, or if you're just looking for an argument, because your responses are incredibly disproportionate to what I’m saying.  I haven’t seen the PSA thread in a good while, so I can’t speak to the BS of it.  I wanted the link for it to see what they’d said on the burning because I wanted better medical links than the youtube video you keep referring to.

I think you’re twisting things to make Dany more fireproof or resistant or whatever than she is, and you think the same of me.  I can live with that.  Only, don’t accuse me of not looking for facts when I’ve given you ample quotes to explain my interpretation and conceded the possibility for your interpretation that hadn’t occurred to me as soon as you showed where you were coming from.

[DaveRoid]

Fair enough. We will leave it at that since this is not the thread for it.

[The Drunkard]

Only read the OP, but I think that's a very interesting theory. Good job.

Edited by The Drunkard, 21 October 2012 - 01:06 AM.

[Sand Snake No. 9]

DaveRoid, on 21 October 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

You need to look at the micheal Jackson tape to see what happens when your hair catches fire if you are looking for real facts. If you still insist on this irrationality try it yourself if you think putting your hair on fire and having it burned to the root will not harm you. It will harm you. But I now realize you are not looking for facts at all. Arguing with you as a reasonable poster has been a waste of time.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Michael Jackson had a lot of petroleum-based products in his hair, and that's why the fire was so fast and furious.  Dany would not have hair held up by flamable hairspray.  Just saying.

[Fwaatcha]

The fact that Dany sweats means she is not heat proof
The fact that Dany burned her hands and hair means she is not fireproof.
This was a good thread till people came in and shit on it.

[the Prince of Thorns]

Love this !
I watched the series at first and I did notice that MMD was singing in that pyre !!
At first I think that she was about to cast a spell but she just dead and I lost my all interest...

[lady m]

One thing that was brought up in the thread is that one, and possibly two of the eggs had already cracked open when Dany finally walks into the pyre.  Could the fact that Drogon is the only one that hatched while she's in the flames have something to do with them having a stronger bond than she does with the other two?

Really well done analyzing of the text, btw.

Edited by lady m, 09 March 2013 - 03:11 PM.

[WardenOfTheNorth]

That scene in the book confused my completely. She does appear to be fireproof, the way it was written.

[The Red Pope]

Here's something GRRM wrote about how magic works in his universe.

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I can tell you generally that when treating with magic in fantasy, you have to keep it magical. Many fantasy writers work out these detailed systems, and rules, and I think that's a mistake.

For magic to be effective in a literary sense, it has to be unknowable and strange and dangerous, with forces that can't be predicted or controlled. That makes it, I think, much more interesting and evocative. It functions as a symbol or metaphor of all the forces in the universe we don't understand and maybe never will.

People like MMD or Mellisandre can spend their entire lives studying magic, but they will never be able to really understand it. Knowledge only gets you so far when it comes to magic.

I think that the magic protecting her came from her connection with the eggs. From the day she got them she was drawn to them in a more mystical way than just admiring their beauty and she started to have her strange dreams. She was subconsciously communicating with the unhatched dragons. This is the reason for the Targ custom to place dragon eggs beside their infants in their cradles.

When she lit the pyre she was driven by an instinct planted in her mind through her connection with the eggs. She knew what she was doing that night despite her lack of magical education.

Dragons are said to create magic and what moment in their lives would create a stronger burst of magic than their hatching? Through her connection to them Dany was then able to benefit from this burst and walk into the fire when the first dragon had hatched.

[Angstasia]

tze, on 07 May 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

I'd suggest you both check out this thread: http://asoiaf.wester...munity-to-fire/ The idea that Targaryens in general, or Dany in particular, have any "natural" fire resistance or immunity (even one that only "manifests" in the presence of dragons) has IMO been pretty thoroughly debunked.



That's the thing, though: Dany shows no warging aptitude whatsoever (she rides on Drogon's back but she never sees through his eyes) and we don't actually know that you need some inherent magical ability to ride on a dragon's back---they seem to respond to shows of fearlessness, not blood (look at Quentyn, not as proving an exception to the "rule", but as showing the "rule's" inherent invalidity). Having visions doesn't equate to an ability to cast spells---Jojen Reed has visions but he's never been shown capable of casting even a single spell. We've been told a great deal about the great sorceries of Valyria---the glass candles that could see across vast distances, the sorceries that created the topless towers of Valyria and could shape stone like a potter shapes clay----and yet there's been no indication that the Targs could ever do any of those things (we don't know they built Dragonstone, a place seemingly built via sorcery, but we do know they built the Red Keep . . .  a place that's not magical). Valyria itself was associated with sorcerers, but the Targs? Not so much.



For me, I find the idea of human magic-users not being shown screwing up----that their spells always work out exactly as they intend----to be at odds with 1) the nature of magic in ASOIAF, and 2) at odds with the greater narrative itself (which is filled to overflowing with people taking actions that lead to unforeseen consequences). Magic has been portrayed as wild, a force that humans can tap into but which they don't truly understand. The most powerful and competent magic-users I think we've seen (the skinchangers/greenseers), the ones whose abilities seem intuitive, the ones who don't appear reliant on things like verbal spells---are the same group primarily associated with not being human: becoming animals, becoming weirwood trees, a magic that was born, not from humanity, but from the nonhuman Children of the Forest. Humans are fallible, and magic (especially blood magic) is extremely volatile and dangerous. Mirri had studied magic for years, she'd successfully pulled off at least one major spell---but as Dalla says, magic is a sword without a hilt, and it cannot be grasped safely. Mirri was not exactly operating in optimum conditions here, and as I stated, I think there's evidence that whatever magic process Mirri was attempting was interrupted and altered when the flames reached her body. And I don't think the idea that whatever magic Mirri was working backfired on her is at odds with the themes GRRM has been playing with thus far---I think it's the most accurate distillation of those themes.

(And on a side note: Dany tells Mirri she needs her life, not her suffering. But Dany's actual knowledge of magic is extremely flimsy. We know one life can be exchanged for another----perhaps one person's suffering can also be exchanged for another person's suffering? That would explain why the only time Dany's been immune to fire occurred contemporaneously with another woman being burned alive. Dany said she didn't need Mirri to suffer . . . but perhaps she actually did, and when she claimed otherwise, she was simply demonstrating, not her knowledge, but her igorance. That if Mirri hadn't burned, Dany would have.)

I think there are basically three options for what Mirri's intentions here were. Option 1 is that Mirri wanted Dany to hatch those eggs, wanted Dany to have fire-breathing death machines, and was manipulating Dany into sticking Mirri on the pyre. While I can see where that idea comes from, especially given Mirri's (supposed) prior manipulations, I have a great deal of difficulty syncing it up with what little we do know about Mirri's goals. Dany's dragons have not brought peace, only destruction, because that seems to be the whole point of dragons. Look at what Mirri says to Dany after Rhaego's death:



This does not sound to me like a person who would be in favor of giving the Khaleesi dragons, of increasing her ability to burn cities and trample nations into dust. Do we really think Mirri wanted Dany of all people to have the ability to raze even more cities to the ground?  Her entire diatribe involves telling Dany that 1) Someone who destroys other people's homes and lives needs to be taken out, not encouraged, and 2) she specifically and repeatedly associates such evil destruction with burning. We have no reason to think Mirri was somehow lying about the nature of the horrors the Dothraki wrought upon the Lamb Men, and there's no indication that Mirri was somehow okay with that destruction. I have difficulty looking at this and interpreting it as Mirri wanting to burn alive for the greater power and glory of the Khaleesi. Quite the opposite.

Look at what she says before the pyre:



On the one hand, yes, it does seem that Mirri fears Dany will in fact be able to hatch those eggs by sacrificing Mirri, and she clearly wants Dany to think the ritual won't work. But that points to Mirri not wanting those eggs to hatch in the first place, not that she really wanted Dany to burn her and thought Dany needed an extra push to do so (Dany had clearly already made up her mind by that point.) And at the same time: Is any of the above really inaccurate? Are readers meant to look at that and say, oh no, Mirri definitely doesn't know what she's talking about here? Dany doesn't have the words to make a spell---she's never made a spell, before or since the pyre. Bloodmagic isn't a game for children, Dany isn't wise (her "knowledge" consists of a single concept, not years of study and effort), and she is ignorant in so many ways (something that gets hammered home time and again in her story arc). On the pyre, Dany starts thinking about how Mirri was totally wrong . . . but are readers really meant to agree with Dany? I don't think we are.

And after Mirri lectures Dany, Dany has Mirri whipped. I doubt that engendered feelings of sisterhood and goodwill.

Option 2 is that Mirri did in fact want the dragon eggs to hatch, but intended to reap the benefit herself. Remember: what were the Valyrians before they found dragons in the Fourteen Fires? Supposedly, they were shepherds. Mirri is pissed about the destruction of everything she loves, and even without the Stallion that Mounts the World, the Dothraki are still a huge threat to the Lamb Men. Mirri might have thought that dragons, in the control of a godswife of the Lamb Men, could be her people's salvation. That might explain the bits that cause some people to look at this scenario and think Mirri was manipulating Dany---she might have been, and just intended the benefits Dany got to actually go to Mirri herself.

Option 3 is that Mirri explicitly did NOT want those eggs to hatch, and her actions in the pyre were intended to stop that completely. From her reaction to Dany's pronouncement of needing her life, it's quite possible that Mirri knew that this ritual was going to work. So how to stop it? Mirri knew that Dany needed Mirri to die for those eggs to hatch . . . well, the way to forestall that would have been, as I speculated, to try and prevent herself from burning in the first place.

On a general note, I agree with the notion that Mirri was okay with dying. She'd lost everything she loved, I just disagree with the notion that Mirri was okay with her death being used to provide Dany with three dragons. Mirri says that life is worthless "when all the rest is gone", and she "placidly" accepts responsibility for Rhaego's death. But at that point, Dany had made no dragon-egg-related overtures.  It didn't take a rocket scientist to understand that this was never going to end well for Mirri once Rhaego died, but it wasn't initially obvious that Dany was going to kill Mirri like this, to achieve this. I think Mirri believed she was sacrificing herself to save countless others from the Stallion. But if Dany succeeded in using Mirri's death to hatch dragon eggs, then Mirri would not be a martyr who saved thousands of future innocent lives, she'd be a tool for future Dothraki-related destruction (as Dany still considered herself a Khaleesi and most of her followers then were Dothraki). I can't see Mirri, given the surrounding circumstances, being okay with that, or in any way working to further that goal, given the way she reacts to conquerers coming in and burning her own home.

Hi this is my first post. I have been reading the intriguing thoughts you posited here and they gave me an idea that maybe Mirri Maz Duur was attempting some kind of revenge when she started working her magic as the pyre was lit. She offers to help Daenerys with her spell beforehand in exchange for her freedom. I think this was another twisted revenge like when she sent Khal Drogo into a catatonic state and killed Rhaego. When Daenerys refused, maybe Mirri Maz Duur tried to raise (or animate) Khal Drogo so he would burn as Daenerys watched and suffered helplessly and Mirri herself would not burn, but the dragons hatched instead, as Mirri did not understand the forces she was playing with and could not complete the magic she was attempting. I would welcome your thoughts on this.

Edited by Angstasia, 10 March 2013 - 11:03 AM.

[caravaggio]

This is a fantastic thread. Great job OP for the analysis of the events at the pyre.
One thing though...

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We never see Dany "performing" any actual magic before or after that pyre, which is weird, given the way all the other magic-users' powers grow as the story progresses (the Starks pop to mind).

While it is true that we don't see Dany performing any magic spells and I don't think Dany id fire proof or that much more tolerant of heat than most, I do think her magic grows through the series just as the Starks, etc seem too. But the magic I think that grows is her visions, which is the only real magic I've come to associate with Valryian blood.

[Suzanna Stormborn]

Really great thread TZE!!
We have been discussing the pyre on another thread, but it seems smarter to just talk about it here.  My thoughts  are;
If the dragons quickened in their eggs before dany woke up from her failed childbirth, then that would suggest the death of Rhaego actually gave the dragons life, but was not enough to hatch them.  What was needed to hatch them was an enormous amount of fire, I suspect in the wild a mother dragon would breathe fire all over an egg until it hatched.
So if that is true, and I'm open to suggestions if someone thinks it's not, how did Dany know how to hatch those eggs?  On another Dragon thread Ran posted that he thought there must have been some literal, 'blood of the dragon' in the targaryen line at some point, he never said how it happened and that is an entire other discussion, but could it have been dany's actual dragon nature that told her what to do? her and her alone knew what to do.  plus When she woke up from birthing Rhaego she felt the eggs and it felt warm to her and she could feel the dragon moving inside, then she hands the egg to Jorah who says it feels like cold scales, and that's it.  
So Obviously Dany has a physical connection with these dragons that others do not have.  What is it? Why can she feel the heat from the dragon inside the egg but he cannot? How did she know what to do to hatch the already living dragon babies in their eggs?

Edited by Suzanna Stormborn, 30 April 2013 - 03:28 PM.

[Suzanna Stormborn]

Angstasia, on 10 March 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

Hi this is my first post. I have been reading the intriguing thoughts you posited here and they gave me an idea that maybe Mirri Maz Duur was attempting some kind of revenge when she started working her magic as the pyre was lit. She offers to help Daenerys with her spell beforehand in exchange for her freedom. I think this was another twisted revenge like when she sent Khal Drogo into a catatonic state and killed Rhaego. When Daenerys refused, maybe Mirri Maz Duur tried to raise (or animate) Khal Drogo so he would burn as Daenerys watched and suffered helplessly and Mirri herself would not burn, but the dragons hatched instead, as Mirri did not understand the forces she was playing with and could not complete the magic she was attempting. I would welcome your thoughts on this.

i think you are close to the mark, MMD was not a very skilled healer.  She couldn't heal Drogo's wound nor bring him back to life.  I think this is because she was messing with things above her power level.  bringing someone back is something only the red priests seem accomplished at, I would be willing to bet it was MMD's first try at that kind of magic, and it went wrong and turned him into a vegetable.  Then at the pyre she was again trying something, I can't really comment on what her 'song' was about, she could have been trying to protect herself and failed or just comforting herself with her last 30 seconds of life.  if she was trying to work another spell it obviously didn't work in the way she wanted, maybe it is what gave dany the fireproofing that night.  But Dany had it in her head that she was walking into that pyre regardless of what MMD did or didn't do. Would she have been able to walk in if MMD hadn't started chanting? TZE thinks no from the OP. And I agree the text she showed backs that up about Dany taking a step back then the chanting started then she walked into the fire, but like I said, Dany was planning on walking in already.  Could MMD have known Danys plan and was helping her? I do not think so, given MMD's treatment and lying/tricking Dany with all their interactions thus far.

Edited by Suzanna Stormborn, 30 April 2013 - 03:50 PM.

[Ser Leftwich]

Suzanna Stormborn, on 30 April 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

i think you are close to the mark, MMD was not a very skilled healer.  She couldn't heal Drogo's wound nor bring him back to life.  I think this is because she was messing with things above her power level.

Drogo's wound festering was his own fault. And, from a certain point of view, MMD did bring back Drogo.

That MMD was messing with something outside her level/knowledge is true in that there was something else in the tent with her and Drogo to begin with, namely the dragon eggs. Dragons are inherently magical, so logically so would the eggs.

Dany might have paid the price with Rhaego's life earlier in the course of events since (1) she was in the tent when the horse's blood was spilled. (2) What Dany says during the fight outside the tent is this, "No, no, please, stop it, it's too high, the price is too high." "My baby."

Whether or not MMD meant to kill Rhaego is not necessarily the important element. MMD might have just saw the opportunity with a stillbirth and used it to taunt Dany. We do not know. If Rhaego was as grotesque as described, it may as likely have been a side-effect of the eggs being in the tent as something that MMD actively did to him.

We learn from Mel that using magic is both part real magic and part showmanship. MMD likely knows some real healing and real magic over her years and study. But when unexpected results occur, a good practitioner of magic needs to be able to adapt to convince the viewers.

[Suzanna Stormborn]

Ser Leftwich, on 30 April 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

Drogo's wound festering was his own fault. And, from a certain point of view, MMD did bring back Drogo.

That MMD was messing with something outside her level/knowledge is true in that there was something else in the tent with her and Drogo to begin with, namely the dragon eggs. Dragons are inherently magical, so logically so would the eggs.

Dany might have paid the price with Rhaego's life earlier in the course of events since (1) she was in the tent when the horse's blood was spilled. (2) What Dany says during the fight outside the tent is this, "No, no, please, stop it, it's too high, the price is too high." "My baby."

Whether or not MMD meant to kill Rhaego is not necessarily the important element. MMD might have just saw the opportunity with a stillbirth and used it to taunt Dany. We do not know. If Rhaego was as grotesque as described, it may as likely have been a side-effect of the eggs being in the tent as something that MMD actively did to him.

We learn from Mel that using magic is both part real magic and part showmanship. MMD likely knows some real healing and real magic over her years and study. But when unexpected results occur, a good practitioner of magic needs to be able to adapt to convince the viewers.

I have always wondered if Rhaego was deformed like that during the entire pregnancy, or if he transformed when his life was taken away and given to the dragons.  If he was like that the whole time then it seems like Dany almost literally birthed a dragon/human hybrid.  anyone have any insight into this?

Edited by Suzanna Stormborn, 01 May 2013 - 08:59 AM.

[BurningCandle]

The theory that Miri did it seems logical, but, and I know this is a little iffy, in the Tv series there are differences that make me think Targs (while not fireproof) may in fact be fire resistant (especially given that we know the creators know how the books end).

Did Martin ever say explicitly that they had no fire resistance what so ever? Because the fact that Dany picks up those heated dragon eggs with no pain would seem to indicate that she is to some degree resistant. She wasn't holding them for a significant length of time, maybe they would have burned her eventually.

Jon Snow Reborn, on 20 October 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

How about this. Let's say as her dragons were hatching. The dragons themselves absorbed whatever spell MMD was casting and transferred it onto Dany with their own will. It's possible dragons being magic incarnate can essentially bend magic to their will. At that moment their singular desire between the three of them was to save and protect their "mother." She did call out to them didn't she? I believe they felt her being in danger and saved her. Now maybe MMD had absolutely nothing to with it. Maybe a Targaryen who "owns" their own dragon takes on the characteristics of their dragons. Immunity to disease and ailments and immunity to fire. I believe that's one of the connections they have with each other. It's possible that once the dragons hatched, they automatically negate any magic from any source other than their "owner," hence MMD suddenly being burnt to a crisp, to her surprise.

This also seems plausible to me. The Dragons being in the world again woke the magic, so it stands to reason they can influence it.

Perhaps another possibility is that fire resistance for Targs applies ONLY where Dragons are involved, so that, say a normal fellow with a torch could burn her, but if the dragons were present then it wouldn't work. Or that she is immune only to dragon flame. Perhaps in this way she would be "warging" her dragons to a degree, in the same sense that Sansa's wolf became more lady-like, etc.

Edited by BurningCandle, 01 May 2013 - 09:20 AM.