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[houseHB]

Maybe the Hound feels protective over Sansa is because of what his brother the Mountain did to Reaghars daughter? So he does not want the same thing to happen to Sansa?

[Lord Damian]

That may be part of it but Sandor, the Hound i think is in love with her for this and other reasons. She is/was idealistic like he once was, only to see her vision of knighthood, princes and princesses destroyed by those whom they should admire. Him by is big brother and her by the Queen and Prince she once adored.

[BondJamesBond]

Sandor is a complex dude.

[Apple Martini]

houseHB, on 06 May 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

Maybe the Hound feels protective over Sansa is because of what his brother the Mountain did to Reaghars daughter? So he does not want the same thing to happen to Sansa?

Rhaenys was killed by Amory Lorch, not Gregor.

[Crown]

BondJamesBond, on 07 May 2012 - 12:37 AM, said:

Sandor is a complex dude.

I think that's a good way to describe the Hound.

[Christina Ceriddwynn]

maybe he just likes her

[Tyrionthebest]

Christina Ceriddwynn, on 07 May 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

maybe he just likes her

That's sick! I'm gonna call Chris Hansen on his ass !

[Budj]

The way I read the character is that he at first has disdain for her...thinking she is just another "maiden" who talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk...enamored by the stories, but never living up to the ideals like the equivalent of many knights in Westeros.  I think as he gets to know her he does get fond of her because she actually does turn out to be the kind-hearted "little bird" and I think she starts to break the chink in his "hound" personality armor.  I also think his time with Arya started hammering into him that not everyone is an immoral bastard.  The starks are honorable and caring people and I think his transformation was kind of enabled by the time he spent with them.

My theory is (if he is alive) that he takes up a quest to free Sansa and that he somehow joins forces with Brienne...another paradigm of knightly honor who helped spark Jaime's transformation.

[Serie]

I don't really understand how Sandor's behaviour towards Sansa can be described as "protective". Yes he doesn't slap her, beat her blah blah blah, but he terrifies her constantly. He is aware that she's afraid of him and his burned face, yet he loses no opportunity to challenge her to look at it. I leave aside the "little bird" and "spare me your courtesies" stuff.

Edited by Serie, 07 May 2012 - 02:48 PM.

[Gingerly Grumkin]

Serie, on 07 May 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

I don't really understand how Sandor's behaviour towards Sansa can be described as "protective". Yes he doesn't slap her, beat her blah blah blah, but he terrifies her constantly. He is aware that she's afraid of him and his burned face, yet he loses no opportunity to challenge her to look at it. I leave aside the "little bird" and "spare me your courtesies" stuff.

BondJamesBond, on 07 May 2012 - 12:37 AM, said:

Sandor is a complex dude.

Lol That's really it. I agree that he is insane, and terrifies the poor child on every many occasions. However Sandor is cool with death, yet he saves Sansa in the riot and makes sure she is safe at Blackwater

[Serie]

Grumpkin Ahai, on 07 May 2012 - 02:49 PM, said:

Lol That's really it. I agree that he is insane, and terrifies the poor child on every many occasions. However Sandor is cool with death, yet he saves Sansa in the riot and makes sure she is safe at Blackwater

yes he does! most possibly because there's some humanity still left in him. But there's a distance between this and "protective"

[QuaitheTheShadow]

I'd say the Hound likes Arya more than Sansa.

They have a lot in common.

[Lord Littlefinger's Lash]

sweet sweet punani?

[TheBull]

Serie, on 07 May 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

I don't really understand how Sandor's behaviour towards Sansa can be described as "protective". Yes he doesn't slap her, beat her blah blah blah, but he terrifies her constantly. He is aware that she's afraid of him and his burned face, yet he loses no opportunity to challenge her to look at it. I leave aside the "little bird" and "spare me your courtesies" stuff.

I don't see how one negates the other. No, he's not tactful or tender with her (Because that's not who he is and because he is trying to get her to see how ugly this world is, the horrors people are capable of) but his instinct has always been to protect her. From Joffrey countless of times, from the mob, from everyone as he offered to take her with him and kill those who try to hurt her. As someone said, he's a complex man and so is this relationship.

Edited by TheBull, 07 May 2012 - 03:13 PM.

[Lord Littlefinger's Lash]

QuaitheTheShadow, on 07 May 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

I'd say the Hound likes Arya more than Sansa. They have a lot in common.

Everyone likes Arya more than Sansa.

[Kittykatknits]

Serie, on 07 May 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

I don't really understand how Sandor's behaviour towards Sansa can be described as "protective". Yes he doesn't slap her, beat her blah blah blah, but he terrifies her constantly. He is aware that she's afraid of him and his burned face, yet he loses no opportunity to challenge her to look at it. I leave aside the "little bird" and "spare me your courtesies" stuff.

He does scare her initially but its pretty clear in their final conversation that is no longer the case. But, to answer your question, he does quite a bit for her.
-Tells her about his burns which starts her on her path to realizing the truth about knights.
-Tells her to give Joffrey what he wants. In my opinion, this is the single most important piece of advice that Sansa receives in the entire series. This saves her from beatings and she uses this to figure out how to behave and act with Joffrey. It also sparks a huge change in how she behaves with others. She even fools Littlefinger later in the series.
- Lies for her at Joff's name day tourney, protecting her from being beaten.
- Saves her from the mob.
- Lies for her again with Blount when she first visits the godswood.
- He also attempts to take her away with him when he leaves KL. As we all know, this doesn't work out very well.

Edited by Kittykatknits, 08 May 2012 - 04:30 PM.

[Kittykatknits]

dbl post.

Edited by Kittykatknits, 07 May 2012 - 03:20 PM.

[Gingerly Grumkin]

Serie, on 07 May 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

yes he does! most possibly because there's some humanity still left in him. But there's a distance between this and "protective"

I would disagree. He was supposed to kill the dude who threw shit at Joff, not save Sansa. He was supposed to fight in Blackwater, insted he protected Sansa. I don't really like the character but he did go out of his way to protect her.
@Kitty. He did not try to take her away from KL.

Lord Littlefinger, on 07 May 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

Everyone likes Arya more than Sansa.

*ahem* what am I chopped liver? Arya is cool, funny, a badass, etc,etc. But Sansa, she is the hope for Tullys and Starks and will probably be the reason for Cersei and LF's death. Besides how do you get beat, threatend, almost raped, etc etc and still be so fucking polite? Sansa's the cool one.

ETA.
To answer the OT, The Hound is not a Ser. He runs away from knighthood, thusly running away from AGOT. He doesn't have to play their games. He's not looking for honor for his family, or money, or anything. The reason why he does all these things for Sansa is because he's not a bad person. If I had the choice of not beating a girl, or saving her life, etc I would becasue there is no reason not to. However all the knights in shining armor are pieces of shit

Edited by Grumpkin Ahai, 07 May 2012 - 03:23 PM.

[Serie]

TheBull, on 07 May 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

I don't see how one negates the other. No, he's not tactful or tender with her (Because that's not who he is and because he is trying to get her to see how ugly this world is, the horrors people are capable of) but his instinct has always been to protect her. From Joffrey countless of times, from the mob, from everyone as he offered to take her with him and kill anyone who tries to hurt her. As someone said, he's a complex man and so is this relationship.

so how can you terrify the person who you wanna "protect"? isn't it a bit like what Viserys did to Dany? and he offers to take her with him after sneaking into her room, frightening her, threatening her and trying to kiss her!!!! oh, what a jolly situation

Kittykatknits, on 07 May 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

He does scare her initially but its pretty clear in their final conversation that is no longer the case. But, to answer your question, he does quite a bit for her.
-Tells her about his burns which starts her on her path to realizing the truth about knights.
-Tells her to give Joffrey what he wants. In my opinion, this is the single most important piece of advice that Sansa receives in the entire series. This saves her from beatings and she uses this to figure out how to behanve and act with Joffrey. It also sparks a huge change in how she behaves with others. She even fools Littlefinger later in the series.
- Lies for her at Joff's name day tourney, protecting her from being beaten.
- Saves her from the mob.
- Lies for her again with Blount when she first visits the godswood.
- He also attempts to take her away with him when he leaves KL. As we all know, this doesn't work out very well.

and he doesn't scare her initially. He does it until the last moment he sees her. Yes I agree that he "opens up" a bit. After a drink or two (or should I say bottles???? ). But that doesn't mean he's protective. It means he's human. I don't argue that.
As QuaitheTheShadow said, it seems to me he's much more protective to Arya instead.

oh and sorry for not elaborating as much as I probably should but I'm trying to reply to multiple posts and new ones are coming in constantly

Grumpkin Ahai, on 07 May 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

I would disagree. He was supposed to kill the dude who threw shit at Joff, not save Sansa. He was supposed to fight in Blackwater, insted he protected Sansa. I don't really like the character but he did go out of his way to protect her.

uuhhhhmmm no, I don't think so.... I think by that time Joff was already gone and the guy who threw the shit was history as well. but I could be wrong there

Edited by Serie, 07 May 2012 - 03:24 PM.

[Silver Spearwife]

They have a weird relationship. Sandor cares for Sansa, but I think he doesn't even understand the extent of his emotions, which is probably why his actions and words sometimes seem so contradictory. A Sandor POV would certainly have been interesting.