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[Sera dy Relandrant]

Really I'm confused by all the Tyrell hate and scorn considering that they're my favourite House after the Starks. Thoughts?

[David Selig]

I like them, they are cool.

[MindOfIceAndFire]

Personally I love them. Think its just cause we don't have  a POV with them and we only have people insulting them all the time like cersei/jamie

[Evamitchelle]

I think more people like them than not actually.

[lojzelote]

I don´t think that anybody hates them. In my opinion, they don´t have many fans because they don´t have any POV and we´re not sure if their nice exterior doesn´t hide completely rotten insides. They are certainly manipulative and ambitious lot . . . I personally don´t hate them, but I don´t care about them either. If I speculate about their downfall, it´s not because I would wish it upon them, but because I have an inkling that they the next ones to go. They´re pretty powerful right now, but the end is far off.

[Silmarien]

They're Lannisters with Roses, is the common assumption?

I dunno, I think they're pretty cool.

[PureGold]

I can't speak for anyone else but I LOVE the Tyrells.   Their my favorite borderline antagonist in the books.   It's not every family or pretty much any other family so far that can give the Lannisters half the ruthlessness they dish out.

The Tyrells are ambitious, shrewd, crafty, loyal (to each other) and if you think about it they are/have played an intricate role in the downfall of House Lannister.    They murdered the first Lannister king, Framed his uncle and for the most part outmaneuvered Jaimie and Cersei (though the latter fought back in a BIG way).

"Grow Strong" indeed.   Don't know if everything will be coming up roses in the books ahead BUT.......

[Thunderfist]

I've never really noticed any real hate for the Tyrells. I like them alot, especially the QoT, Garlan and Loras

[David C. Hunter]

I like them, but maybe because the Tyrells are literary the turncloaking masters, who are subtley more power hungry than anyone and really dont deserve any of the power they have

[akajea]

I like the Tyrells. I love how Olenna and Margaery handled Joffrey, and how they tried to rescue Sansa. I like Loras' passion. Willas and Garlan sound competent. Even Mace is kinda cool.

And if I had to live somewhere in Westeros, I'd definitely live in the Reach.

What's not to like?

[Incesticide]

I'm puzzled as to your use of the word "everyone". I don't think the dislike of the Tyrells is anywhere near as common as hatred of the Freys, Boltons and quite possibly the Lannisters. Personally, about the only Tyrell I dislike is Mace Tyrell and only because he's quite obviously incompetent. I'm personally a big fan of Lady Olenna. Willas, Margaery and Garlan sound like perfectly nice people, Loras is merely a hot headed teenager, while Randyll Tarly (their bannerman) is quite possibly the best strategist in all of Westeros. Sure they're ambitious, but name one House which isn't.

Edited by Incesticide, 08 May 2012 - 05:12 AM.

[Dornish Bannerman]

I think they are great. Though I would have loved a Willas POV.

Only thing is that they hate the Martells. But Oberyn and Willas made their peace.

[RobertOfTheHouseBaratheon]

I think they've had a bad press as they jumped in bed with the Lannisters at the pivotal point in the war. Stannis was severly weakened and his defeat combined with their forces joining the Lannisters turned the tide against Robb to the point his own bannermen conspired against him. Also by co-opting with the Lannisters they legitamized their incestous dynasty.

Once we get to know them a bit better we find they are composed of mini Jaime, mini Cersei, and Miss Marple's psychopathic sister.

The family also were never kings/queens they were stewards promoted by Aegon, which we are reminded of a couple of times giving them the impression of upstarts. I think they are written so they feel like someone we should root against but that the layered writing means if you look past this they can be quite sympathetic characters. I think the next book is going to see them come into it a bit more and become fan favourites.

[Lyanna Stark]

akajea, on 08 May 2012 - 05:06 AM, said:

I like the Tyrells. I love how Olenna and Margaery handled Joffrey, and how they tried to rescue Sansa. I like Loras' passion. Willas and Garlan sound competent. Even Mace is kinda cool.

Rescue Sansa?? They plotted to have her married off to Willas for her claim to Winterfell. They didn't care at all for Sansa_the_imprisoned_girl, only for Sansa_heir_to_Winterfell.

[Malpka]

To be honest i admire lady Olenna, like Garlan and Willas so far. Rest of them I find annoying (just Tyrells, living banner mans out of it).
What annoy me most, is the fact that ever since they appeared, they look like richest family in all Westeros, it actually look like Renly didn't have any lands whatsoever, only Tyrells maintaining him.

[Child of Spring]

I like the Tyrells, they're cool. Especially lady Olena, she's awsome. I like Margaery, I think she is a lot more that you see on the outside. And Garlan seems like a nice guy, he got bonus points when he said to Joffrey that he acts like an ass (in a polite way, of course) on his wedding day.

[Errant Bard]

Lyanna Stark, on 08 May 2012 - 05:23 AM, said:

Rescue Sansa?? They plotted to have her married off to Willas for her claim to Winterfell. They didn't care at all for Sansa_the_imprisoned_girl, only for Sansa_heir_to_Winterfell.

Worse than that, actually, they checked she was angry enough with Joffrey to be a believable patsy, then they framed her. Helping her? Nope.

But they sure make use of every resource they have, they are pretty cool like that. I don't think Loras is in the confidence though, nor Mace. But Garlan? You bet.

[akajea]

Lyanna Stark, on 08 May 2012 - 05:23 AM, said:

Rescue Sansa?? They plotted to have her married off to Willas for her claim to Winterfell. They didn't care at all for Sansa_the_imprisoned_girl, only for Sansa_heir_to_Winterfell.

Well of course, but that's the nature of all marriage in Westeros. Unless Sansa bends Westerosi culture to her will, she'll end up marrying someone. Why not Willas? He seems like an intelligent, kind (and cunning) man. The Tyrells would have treated her well. Her life in Highgarden could have been a life somewhat like the one she dreamed of back in the day. Her son could have been Lord of the Reach. A mutually beneficial relationship.

Certainly better than Joffrey, Tyrion or Littlefinger anyway.

Edited by akajea, 08 May 2012 - 06:51 AM.

[Grip]

I do like them and would even want a pov, I'd really want to see Highgarden. I do think that they havent really been put to the test like the Baratheons/Lannisters/Starks etc. The Ironborn as a threat shouldnt be underestimated though I doubt they have the power to really threaten the Reach. What I would want hovewer is an uprising lead by House Hightower against the Tyrells, possibly backing young Aegon. How would Mace handle that? How would he act against his own bannermen? What influence would Olenna, Garlan, Margaery etc play? Give me that and I would put the Tyrells on the same level as the Baratheons and Starks.

[NomadicDirewolf]

do people hate them? i wasnt aware of this. Most people are fairly indifferent to them i think