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So what's Hell like?


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Physically, is it endless darkness? Lakes of fire? Endless recordings of Kenny G in a cramped elevator?

And how does someone stay sane enough or aware enough to be tormented?

Seems like torture porn via religion no?

As to damnation: So how does this work exactly? When I worked for a Dante Scholar, I remarked that this seem pretty creepy, as even if you take the heresy of salvation through good works (Pelagianism, right?) isn't it unfair to condemn people forever with different starting points for being morally better than others?

Just seems completely out of sync with any modern evaluation of how people work genetically and socially.

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Hell is a library, but the only books they have are titles by Goodkind and Stanek. And you're stuck there.

Forever.

For me it would be an Ask the Author session with Bakker who refuses to say anything about the books but goes on at length about all his pet theories. ;-)

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"I don't believe in hell. I believe in unemployment...but I don't believe in hell." Dustin Hoffman in Tootsie...pretty much sums it up for me. Though I would describe the hostile and abusive work situation I have recently left to be hellish. My new job may be hellish as well...but I can leave that one too. I think hell is supposed to be never ending?

Being trapped. That is hell. Psychologically, physically, emotionally, financially, situationally....that is hell. Having no options to change or improve your life. That is hell.

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I think the view of most mainstream Churches these days is that Hell is absence from God, rather than traditional fire and brimstone.

Hell is a library, but the only books they have are titles by Goodkind and Stanek. And you're stuck there.

Forever.

No, no, no. Hell is a monastery where you have to copy the works of Paolini. Over and over again, for all eternity.

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My grandmother used to say Hell must be cold, because there is nothing worse than having to get up super early every morning to go out in the icy cold snow and clear the same paths you did yesterday and the day before.

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My grandmother used to say Hell must be cold, because there is nothing worse than having to get up super early every morning to go out in the icy cold snow and clear the same paths you did yesterday and the day before.

She might be right about that.

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Physically, is it endless darkness? Lakes of fire? Endless recordings of Kenny G in a cramped elevator?

Depends on your religion?

And how does someone stay sane enough or aware enough to be tormented?

Presumably, they're incarnated in a body that's built-to-suffer, not a standard human body - physiologically or psychologically.

Seems like torture porn via religion no?

For the Ciphrang, I guess.

As to damnation: So how does this work exactly? When I worked for a Dante Scholar, I remarked that this seem pretty creepy, as even if you take the heresy of salvation through good works (Pelagianism, right?) isn't it unfair to condemn people forever with different starting points for being morally better than others?

Just seems completely out of sync with any modern evaluation of how people work genetically and socially.

In Islam, at least, everyone is judged based on their circumstances i.e. a man who steals to feed his family is not the same as a man who steals for greed. I believe it's the same in Bakkerworld, since Mimara is not damned despite being a whore (it wasn't a choice of hers, after all).

But, it's obviously not fair to condemn or blame anyone for anything - everyone is bound by circumstance. The murderer-rapist and the life-saving-doctor - neither deserve praise or blame for their actions as both were bound by circumstance. The murder-rapist could no more not rape and murder, than the doctor that saves lives could not save lives. Causal chains from the beginning of the Universe itself bind them.

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My fear of Hell is that it's not being able to deny, justify or forget every shitty thing you ever did, knowing everybody in Heaven or Hell also knows about them.

Plus, being in Hell would totally mean you know you made the wrong choice.

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Being trapped in a room with my S-I-L, forever.

I wondered how long it would be before someone said that. To be fair, there are probably some that do not consider that to be so.

You'd say the same thing if you ever had the misfortune to meet my sister. For those not in the know, my sister has been a heroin junkie for over 12 years, has severe depression and anorexia issues and several serious suicide attempts under her belt. Being around her means walking on eggshells the whole time and putting up with whatever she feels like talking about, humoring her along the way so she doesn't have another epic meltdown while you're there.

On the actual topic of the thread, I was taught in Sunday school that Hell is absence from God and has nothing to do with fire and torture.

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Hell is a library, but the only books they have are titles by Goodkind and Stanek. And you're stuck there.

Forever.

And you discover that you now have 20/20 eyesight and don't need glasses ever again. Also there are audio books read by them that play on a constant loop anytime you're not reading.

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