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[Ser Sweets]

It could be worse. We could be musing over the possibilities of it being AA, or a secret Targ.

[Pommes]

This question might get really important. Asha plans to overthrow Euron. She will try to make Theon king of the Ironmen. And i think that Theon really has a chance.

But: Ironborn won't follow an eunuch.

[Natalie_S]

Anatisog, on 14 May 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

Or possibly the strain of torture on him was so intense that left him crippled emotionally, psychological and physically. He might be impotent for all we know, his will and lust trampled under agony. Torture can do thet to a person, I guess.

I assumed the same reading the book.
Also if he says "I have no...", he could simply refer to an erection.

To be honest, I think that Ramsay did a job good enough without involving genital mutilation/sexual abuse.

[Toccs]

Natalie_S, on 16 May 2012 - 05:00 AM, said:

I think that Ramsay did a job good enough without involving genital mutilation/sexual abuse.

I think so too, but it's about what Ramsay thinks, and I'm pretty sure he would disagree.

[Pommes]

Maybe something similar to Victarion's hand will happen
smoking, black....

[Maester Reek]

how cool would it be if grrm jus kept it vague but than gives us a big reveal like in the end if/when theon kills ramsay,maybe  he will cut off ramsays member in order to try to make him suffer and say something like this is for flaying my penis u jerk.

[Silver Spearwife]

Pommes, on 16 May 2012 - 04:59 AM, said:

This question might get really important. Asha plans to overthrow Euron. She will try to make Theon king of the Ironmen. And i think that Theon really has a chance.

But: Ironborn won't follow an eunuch.

Eunuch? Even if Theon were still as confidant about his cock as Tormund Giantsbane, he's still broken. Just one look at him and no ironborn would consider doing anything other than throwing him overboard. They wanted to do that back when he still had ten fingers.

[Gingerly Grumkin]

larrytheimp, on 15 May 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

The dogs aren't raping Theon - they're all female, and named for the chicks that fought back when Ramsay raped and killed them.  A bitch is a female.

Yeah but the bitches could still rape Reek, "They do it like scissors or something"

[Blood.of.my.Blood]

I remember bringing this up a while back in recurring themes thread and was surprised more people hadn't come to the same conclusion. I don't feel so dark now for immediately thinking/realising Theon had his penis cut off.

That whole story line with Jeyne and Ramsay and Theon disturbs the hell out of me, pretty sure its implied/suggested Ramsay forces Jeyne to do stuff with his dogs.

[Maester Reek]

old nan the bitch version is gunna scissor ramsay

[Maester Reek]

That's crazy that ramsay forces his dogs to have sexual intercourse with jeyne and theon if it is true.... does anyone kno the comment jeyne poole makes to bring these ideas to mind

[Stannis Eats No Peaches]

Well maybe Theon is Azor Ahai after all and to stay in context, Ramsay does claim to have the "magic sword" in his letter to Jon...

[Blood.of.my.Blood]

From one of the later chapters in dance with dragons when theon and the wildlings rescue her. She panics thinking its a trick of Ramsay's and says "tell him, you tell him. Ill do what he wants. . Whenever he wants. . With him or. . Or with the dog or. ."

[Gingerly Grumkin]

Blood.of.my.Blood, on 16 May 2012 - 09:40 AM, said:

From one of the later chapters in dance with dragons when theon and the wildlings rescue her. She panics thinking its a trick of Ramsay's and says "tell him, you tell him. Ill do what he wants. . Whenever he wants. . With him or. . Or with the dog or. ."

Woah! I'm going to expand on that quote sorry/thank you

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   “Lady Arya.” Rowan moved closer. “You must come with us, and quickly. We’ve come to take you to your brother.”
   “Brother?” The girl’s face emerged from underneath the wolfskins. “I … I have no brothers.”
   She has forgotten who she is. She has forgotten her name. “That’s so,” said Theon, “but you had brothers once. Three of them. Robb and Bran and Rickon.”
   “They’re dead. I have no brothers now.”
   “You have a half-brother,” Rowan said. “Lord Crow, he is.”
   “Jon Snow?”
   “We’ll take you to him, but you must come at once.”
   Jeyne pulled her wolfskins up to her chin. “No. This is some trick. It’s him, it’s my … my lord, my sweet lord, he sent you, this is just some test to make sure that I love him. I do, I do, I love him more than anything.” A tear ran down her cheek. “Tell him, you tell him. I’ll do what he wants … whatever he wants … with him or … or with the dog or … please … he doesn’t need to cut my feet off, I won’t try to run away, not ever, I’ll give him sons, I swear it, I swear it …”
   Rowan whistled softly. “Gods curse the man.”
   “I’m a good girl,” Jeyne whimpered. “They trained me.”
   Willow scowled. “Someone stop her crying. That guard was mute, not deaf. They’re going to hear.”
   “Get her up, turncloak.” Holly had her knife in hand. “Get her up or I will. We have to go. Get the little cunt up on her feet and shake some courage into her.”

So there you go, they scissors or something
But is it really rape with Theon?

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   The girls were glad to see him. They knew him by his smell. Red Jeyne loped over to lick at his hand, and Helicent slipped under the table and curled up by his feet, gnawing at a bone. They were good dogs. It was easy to forget that every one was named for a girl that Ramsay had hunted and killed.

Mayhaps it was consensual scissors

Edited by Grumpkin Ahai, 16 May 2012 - 09:54 AM.

[Natalie_S]

She says "I WILL do what he wants", it could imply that it hasn't happened so far.
Maybe it was a threat to scare her, I mean, it's totally disgusting, creepy and practically difficult (since the dogs are females).

[Ser Sweets]

As for Jeyne and the dogs, they probably just lick her in certain places. That's what I assumed.

[Blood.of.my.Blood]

His hunting dogs are female, doesn't mean there is a total lack of male dogs around. His "girls" have pups as we know from his naming habits.

[Silver Spearwife]

I kind of assumed that he just found some male dog that he had laying around. I mean, he can't be the only guy in Winterfell who owns a dog, right?

I really hate to do this, but can I ask for one more quote from that scene? The quote when she stands up and we get a better look at the physical damage?

[Blood.of.my.Blood]

My quoting is done for the night as im now in bed and my book is in the next room and its cold and i  will get stuck reading if i start looking at it again lol sorry

But from what i just skimmed earlier there doesn't seem to be reference to her physical state aside from finding her laying under a pile of furs in a ball:( poor girl, imagining her existence is one of the worst in the story.

[Child of Spring]

I don't even want to think what she was forced to do. For me, reading Reek's chapters was really hard, they are deeply disturbing. This thing with the dog... that's just f***ed up.