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[7V3N]

Balerion was alive before the Targaryens moved to Dragonstone, and survived until some time after Aegon's Conquest.

[Ser Grimes]

"The dragon has three heads" was only interpreted by Dany as meaning her dragons need 2 more riders, right?

The dragon has three heads could mean: The "Dragon" (ptwp, aa or whatever) has three heads (is a blackfyre).

[Bastard of Nightsong]

Ser Grimes, on 10 December 2012 - 11:41 PM, said:

"The dragon has three heads" was only interpreted by Dany as meaning her dragons need 2 more riders, right?

The dragon has three heads could mean: The "Dragon" (ptwp, aa or whatever) has three heads (is a blackfyre).

The Targaryen dragon (meaning the family's sigil) is just as three-headed as the Blackfyre dragon. Only the colors are inverted. As to the meaning of the dragon having three heads, well, theories abound...

[Ser Endrew Tarth]

Maester Aemon was convinced the prophecy meant there would be three riders, three people, three heads of the dragon (male and female interchangeable).  I like the idea (mentioned elsewhere in the forum) of a reverse gender Aegon the conqueror situation.  Dany as Aegon with two males at her side...  GRRM has hinted in a interview that dragon riders/heads of the dragon don't necessarily have to be Targaryen.  Aemon on the other hand seems to think Stannis doesnt' have enough Targ blood to qualify.

[Black Crow]

All that's actually said is that the dragon must have three heads. The three dragon riders is just a reader interpretation, as is the assumption that waking dragons/giants is literal rather a than metaphorical idiom for the awakening of "powers".

[The Dornishman's Wife]

Both Rhaegar and Aemon seem to believe that the three heads are three persons and that one of them would be the Prince(ss) that was promised. Obviously they can be dead wrong (and have both made mistakes about this before) and they are not independent sources (they have drafted their ideas off each other and likely interpret the same source material), but it's a bit harsh to say that "3 heads = 3 people" is just a reader interpretation.

For the record, what Maester Aemon says is:

Maester Aemon in AFFC said:

It was a prince that was promised, not a princess. [...] The language misled us all for a thousand years. Daenerys is the one
[.......]
The dragon must have three heads but I am too old and frail to be one of them. I should be with her, showing her the way, but my body has betrayed me.

What Rhaegar says is:

Rhaegar in a vision in ACOK about Aegon said:

"What better name for a king? [...] He is the prince that was promised and his is the Song of Ice and Fire. [...] There must be one more. The dragon has three heads."

[Ser Endrew Tarth]

Aemon more than implies he thinks it means three people.  I like to think that he gets the closest to putting together the pieces to explain this prophecy in these moments of clarity preceeding his death.  700 woot!

[Black Crow]

The Dornishman, on 11 December 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

Both Rhaegar and Aemon seem to believe that the three heads are three persons and that one of them would be the Prince(ss) that was promised. Obviously they can be dead wrong (and have both made mistakes about this before) and they are not independent sources (they have drafted their ideas off each other and likely interpret the same source material), but it's a bit harsh to say that "3 heads = 3 people" is just a reader interpretation.

Ah, no, you're misunderstanding me. I've no problem with "three heads" being three different people. What I said was that they're not necessarily three dragon riders

[The Dornishman's Wife]

Black Crow, on 12 December 2012 - 01:35 AM, said:

Ah, no, you're misunderstanding me. I've no problem with "three heads" being three different people. What I said was that they're not necessarily three dragon riders

Ah, I see, sorry for the confusion. And yes, while I personally think "3 heads = 3 riders" is a plausible guess, I agree that there's no real evidence for that and it could well turn out differently (in particular dragons could be temporarily ridden by people like Vicky or BB Plum before the dragon's head are even revealed).

Edited by The Dornishman's Wife, 12 December 2012 - 05:54 AM.