[book spoilers] Did they botch Bran and Rickon's death?
Posted 15 May 2012 - 06:34 AM
It was too obvious. The corpses looked superfake and they were trying too hard to make us think they found Bran and Rickon (walnuts wtf? Do all walnuts in westeros end up in Rickon's hands?") Also, some people thought the end music was awesome... I thought it fell totally flat. Very anticlimactic. It surprises me that this doesn't annoy more people. Am I crazy?
Posted 16 May 2012 - 05:42 PM
Walnuts: WTF indeed. That didn't make any sense to me.
Posted 16 May 2012 - 06:01 PM
I think the short scene with Bran, Rickon, Hodor and Osha should have been left out, it may have been slightly more believable then...although I don't know what would have happened with Dagmer's walnut revelation then.
Regardless, somehow my brother (who is extremely intelligent for his age) was fooled, and believes that the burnt scarecrows, I mean boys, are actually Bran and Rickon! So, I suppose it just depends on the viewer.
In saying all of that, however, I like to take the series on its merits, and I think it's doing a fantastic job. I also loved that final scene. Alfie Allen was fantastic as always, his expression speaks multitudes, and the music really added to what he has become.
Posted 16 May 2012 - 06:11 PM
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Posted 16 May 2012 - 06:15 PM
The wall-nut thing was poor writing IMO. Either Dagmer knew that the boys had been there because of the walnuts, in which case they'd obviously just keep hunting as they knew they were on the trail. If Dagmer didn't think the walnuts belonged to the boys, why would he pick them up. Obviously they stuck them in to make people think they actually caught Bran and Rickon. But I reckon the whole 'walnut thing' was very clumsy writing.
Posted 16 May 2012 - 06:17 PM
Posted 16 May 2012 - 06:23 PM
Posted 16 May 2012 - 06:53 PM
That's what burnt bodies actually look like though.
Posted 16 May 2012 - 07:15 PM
"OMG WALNUTS THEON!!!, we just saw that scene and Hodor was crushing walnuts for Rickon, your Dagmer has an idea!!!!!" So incredibly stupid.
Posted 16 May 2012 - 07:44 PM
Posted 16 May 2012 - 07:49 PM
I'll have to take your word for it, because (fortunately) I've never seen burnt bodies. However, they looked like they were made from papier mache to me. Like a pair of pinatas. Wouldn't bits of them fall off? I know one had lost an arm, but wouldn't a burnt body fall to bits when strung up?
Posted 16 May 2012 - 08:03 PM
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Posted 16 May 2012 - 08:27 PM
Edited by Raja, 16 May 2012 - 08:29 PM.
Posted 16 May 2012 - 08:35 PM
And it IS a difficult climax to translate to screen, I can see that. Nevertheless, I still think they could have improved it by leaving Bran and Rickon out of the episode entirely. They were also "offscreen" in the books. So we move from "it's just a game" to the hanging bodies.
Wait, I stand corrected. I would use spiked heads instead. The bodies were too fake. Maybe even better: they could have shown theon riding into winterfell with two heads in his hand. It's like the rhakaro death, adding some nice visual recurrance. Or do I sound like a creepy psychopath now:)?
Posted 16 May 2012 - 10:56 PM
Posted 16 May 2012 - 11:29 PM
I loved this episode, but I had a problem with the last scene. It isn’t that they choose to make it clearer that those two burned bodies were not Bran and Rickon, rather than they cut the scene way too early.
The sickened face of Theon when he looks at the bodies was great, the screams of Maester Luwin were heartbreaking, and the score for that scene was incredible pertinent, it really wanted to make you feel the same as Theon: lost, confused and absolutely sickened. But I can’t help to think that if that scene lasted a little longer it could have an even bigger impact.
They could have shown the disgusted faces of the people of Winterfell for example, or more facial expressions from Theon, realizing what he has done and his internal struggle in that moment. I mean, murdering two innocents boys is a truly horrible an unredeemable act, even if they aren´t who they are supposed to be. We got to see too little of his reactions for my taste, and worst is that Alfie Allan has shown to be really good at it.
When the picture faded to black I couldn't help to feel a little disappointed with that scene, because of the emotional potential that it had. Still this was an incredible episode, one of the best if not the best of the season for me.
Anybody else felt the same with this scene?
Edited by fede989, 16 May 2012 - 11:42 PM.
Posted 17 May 2012 - 12:09 AM
Edited by RoamingRonin, 17 May 2012 - 12:09 AM.
Posted 17 May 2012 - 12:15 AM