[book spoilers] Did they botch Bran and Rickon's death?
Posted 17 May 2012 - 12:47 AM
Posted 17 May 2012 - 01:18 AM
What I don't understand from the episode (and I can only watch it this year in clips on YouTube), is why Theon himself seems so shocked or sickened by the corpses. Was he not part of that whole staged presentation for the folk of the castle? He looks like he's seeing them for the first time. I don't get it. (And that presentation was corny.)
If Maester Luwin comes off as a little bit fake, I think it's okay because wasn't he faking in the book? Didn't he know the bodies weren't right, even though Reek had dressed them in Stark cloaks and whatnot? He's gotta sell it.
Posted 17 May 2012 - 02:54 AM
Posted 17 May 2012 - 04:19 AM
It was too obvious. The corpses looked superfake and they were trying too hard to make us think they found Bran and Rickon (walnuts wtf? Do all walnuts in westeros end up in Rickon's hands?") Also, some people thought the end music was awesome... I thought it fell totally flat. Very anticlimactic. It surprises me that this doesn't annoy more people. Am I crazy?
I thought the bodies looked pretty fake, but after watching the Twitter recap on Winteriscoming it seemed like a considerable amount of people were fooled.
Posted 17 May 2012 - 04:30 AM
Posted 17 May 2012 - 05:26 AM
There is no way he could have known that those nutshells were Bran's and Rickon's. It's way too coincidental that the random trash he finds in a village belonged to Rickon. The wolf brooch in the book, however, could be used to convince people that the boys had been found, and also to pretend that they've found something really important (a clue).
Edited by int11, 17 May 2012 - 05:34 AM.
Posted 17 May 2012 - 06:13 AM
It will be weird if B&R go back to the crypt though, cause that would be far more dangerous in the TV series trying to sneak back in once the chase is over.
Posted 17 May 2012 - 06:27 AM
In the books it's made frightening because Jojen dreamed of reek, the man with the long knife and the two faceless (? iirc...) children at his feet. Jojen got it right with the capture of Winterfell so we were primed to think it would come true, but not HOW it would come true.
No Jojen, no dream, no reek, flat story telling = fail. Fail fail fail. Season 2 blows.
Edited by Lord of Cheese, 17 May 2012 - 06:32 AM.
Posted 17 May 2012 - 06:32 AM
I guess compared to some the deviations to the script, Dany, Jamie, Jon, theon's story arc seems close by comparison
Posted 17 May 2012 - 11:35 AM
Posted 17 May 2012 - 12:29 PM
That being said, I don't know how much better they could've pulled it off as it's pretty hard to fake deaths of major characters, especially in a show that shows everything so graphically otherwise. I liked Theon's reaction a lot, because I think it was a mixture of both acting for his plan to work and shock that his life has come to this. He is truly tormented now, and I can't wait to see Asha/Yara tear him down even more when she arrives.
I thought the music was wonderfully dark, if not for the supposed deaths of the Stark boys, then for the terrible path that Theon has gone down in this season.
Posted 17 May 2012 - 12:53 PM
I've had a good amount of experience in an E.R. from my time in nursing school, and although I've never seen a fully charred human body, those props used during that scene were actually quite realistic.
And about the walnuts; Dagmer picking them up and calling for Theon felt to me like a fake-out for both Maester Luwin and the audience - he was just trying to make it look like he'd found a clue. Either way, it's no less believable than what Reek does in the books, so it doesn't really bother me.
The theme for Theon continues to impress me, as does Alfie Allen's portrayal of him. His has been probably my favorite storyline of this second season, and I'm excited to see where and how D&D decide to end his arc.
Posted 17 May 2012 - 01:31 PM
Unless the characters in Theon's group on the show watched this specific epsiode of Game of Thrones on HBO they wouldnt have known about Rickon eating walnuts. Are walnuts the only food escaped little kids eat in the north or are these special walnuts that only Hodor can crack?
It's some cheesetastic writing they did to "trick" the audience into thinking Brand and Co. actually ended up going where they just said they werent going. It was completely absurd.
Posted 17 May 2012 - 01:45 PM
Posted 17 May 2012 - 02:21 PM
Posted 17 May 2012 - 04:56 PM
Posted 17 May 2012 - 05:10 PM
If the intent was to show how Theon likes to scare townfolk, then it was a success.
Posted 17 May 2012 - 05:20 PM
Posted 17 May 2012 - 05:46 PM
Posted 17 May 2012 - 05:47 PM
yeah, i missed the part in the show where they said only starks eat walnuts. i think the reason they went this way was because the farm house in the book just pops into theons memory with no real set up. and in the show they can't simply jump into theons inner monologue, but the walnuts don't make any sense when you think about them. best not to.