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[Red Raven]

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Honestly, I think Lolys has perhaps suffered more than any other living character thus far, save for perhaps Theon and Jeyne Poole. I really don't want to have to see her abused yet again, then murdered.

I know.  I want her to finally be happy and, in an optimistic vein, I hope that Bronn actually likes her and his new stepson and will treat them kindly.

[Silver Spearwife]

jlk7e, on 15 May 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

Right now, Bronn has nothing to gain from helping Tyrion.  That will not necessarily hold true if Tyrion returns to Westeros as a close advisor to a mad Targaryen queen with three dragons.  Bronn might recalibrate again, at that point.  He was actually rather gentle in his final break with Tyrion in A Storm of Swords - there was kind of a "no hard feeling" vibe, and Bronn didn't actively betray Tyrion in any way, so I could certainly see Tyrion being willing to deal with him.

Yeah, I was thinking something like that. No one likes Tyrion, but Bronn would be willing to support him. And hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Bronn's story turns out to be about the start of a new sellsword company.

Wasn't it Tyrion who said the "cripples, bastards, and broken things" thing? Or was that just from the show? Because that really does seem to be Bronn's mindset. So far, the only people he's shown a liking toward are a dwarf, a simpleton, and a bastard.

Not entirely related, but I find Tyrion's name alone suggesting that he's going to be quite a tough little badass. Tyrion: He's named by his sellsword stepfather after one of the most widely hated people in all of Westeros to deliberately antagonize the queen. Tanner: Not just a normal bastard name, no, he gets a nickname that explicitly describes the brutal circumstances of his birth. He's not like Gendry and Jon who just don't know who one of their parents are - no one knows who his biological father is.

[greywindsrage]

Fire Eater, on 15 May 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

GRRM said Bronn still has a role to play in the series.

Where did you see that? I really hope he does , he is one of my favourite characters in the series.

[greywindsrage]

Hopefully Bronn rebels against Cersei and reunites with Tyrion.

[Darth Pipes]

If Dany ever gets her ass to Westeros (specifically King's Land) with her dragons, I suspect Bronn will be the first Lord to bend the knee.  He's smart enough to get on the winning side.

[Jon Flowers]

I think he'll treat Lolys well enough since she's no threat to him and makes his position more secure, heirs or no heirs.  Even if he has an overwhelming urge to stray, Lolys wouldn't be difficult to fool.  He has no cause to do her harm and for her sake, I genuinely hope that he doesn't.  As has been pointed out already, she's been through quite enough up to this point and who knows, maybe she'll grow to love Bronn whatever he may think of her, and end up truely happy.  As for Bronn, he's great as a character, but pretty poor as a human being.  Regardless, I think he still has a role to play in the last two books, probably as an ally of a returning Tyrion.

[Ser Adam Dayne]

Bronn strikes me as the type of guy who ends up winning in the end.  He's got that mind frame of doing whatever it takes to survive, he's pretty savvy, fairly skilled with a sword, and has no qualms about changing sides in a heartbeat if it means his life.  I'm not saying that Bronn is a good person, he's far from it, but Bronn doesn't take pleasure from his acts as many have pointed out.  It's good to hear that GRRM has future plans for him, he's one of my favorite characters.

[Babeldygob]

Alric Stark, on 15 May 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

I think Bronn's story is done. He was there to show even a common sellsword, if he plays his cards right can elevate to a position of power. I can't see why he would put himself at risk. He had title, lands, power he is smart enough to know he has risen as high as he could possibly ave hoped for. Likely he sits back and enjoys the spoils of his victories.

GRRM has said somewhere that Bronn still has a use in future books.

[Raksha the Demon]

Babeldygob, on 15 May 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

GRRM has said somewhere that Bronn still has a use in future books.

My own theory is that Bronn will be the one to kill Tommen - he's ruthless enough; and his willingness to murder a child has already been shown in a Tyrion/Bronn conversation back in either AGOT or ACOK.

[Longspear Ryk]

i literally cried laughing when cersei randomaly bugged out about bronn naming the baby tyrion after not caring at all

Something along the lines of "smiling at his insolenace"

One of the greatest parts of the books imo

[Darth Pipes]

Raksha the Demon, on 16 May 2012 - 01:03 AM, said:

My own theory is that Bronn will be the one to kill Tommen - he's ruthless enough; and his willingness to murder a child has already been shown in a Tyrion/Bronn conversation back in either AGOT or ACOK.

I'd hate for that to happen but it would totally work from a storyline standpoint.  Tyrion would be horrified.

[Independent George]

Silver Spearwife, on 15 May 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:

Not entirely related, but I find Tyrion's name alone suggesting that he's going to be quite a tough little badass. Tyrion: He's named by his sellsword stepfather after one of the most widely hated people in all of Westeros to deliberately antagonize the queen. Tanner: Not just a normal bastard name, no, he gets a nickname that explicitly describes the brutal circumstances of his birth. He's not like Gendry and Jon who just don't know who one of their parents are - no one knows who his biological father is.

So, you subscribe to the 'Boy Named Sue' theory?

[Silver Spearwife]

Independent George, on 16 May 2012 - 09:35 AM, said:

So, you subscribe to the 'Boy Named Sue' theory?

Well, there is the little matter of him being raised by Bronn, which'll have more of an effect on him than anything. But hell, he could just be a soft Samwell Tarly for all we know. He's still a baby.

[Lady Hodor]

Ok, so on the other half of this thread's title, and in a similar way to another thread at the moment to do with Robert Arryn, should we really write off Lollys as hapless? I think that it would be the most unexpected and strangest of twists if she suddenly rose up as some unknown threat, maybe even against her own husband, and GRRM is very fond of startling us with his underestimated characters.

[BabyMeraxes]

Lady Hodor, on 16 May 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

Ok, so on the other half of this thread's title, and in a similar way to another thread at the moment to do with Robert Arryn, should we really write off Lollys as hapless? I think that it would be the most unexpected and strangest of twists if she suddenly rose up as some unknown threat, maybe even against her own husband, and GRRM is very fond of startling us with his underestimated characters.

LOLLYS IS OUR HOPE! Maybe she'll take about Qyburn when its revealed that Bobby Strong's head used to belong to Falyse.

[TheSpottedCat]

I think Bronn's naming the child Tyrion was not necessarily a challenge, but more of a twisted joke or a screw-you to Cersei and Co. I personally doubt he will kill Lollys, because he simply doesn't need to. Lollys is quite complacent and severely disturbed from what happened to her, so he has all the control. Also, if he wants other women, I doubt Lollys will stop him. And I don't see Bronn as the type that would fall in love with another woman and want to marry her. I can neither see him killing the baby, because I don't think he's the type to care if his fortune or title etc. passes to his own children. He simply doesn't care, he only wants to be well off himself. And unlike, let's say Littlefinger, Bronn doesn't desire power, only the ability to live well, plus he doesn't care about screwing over some people who hurt him in the past, like Littlefinger does. He's not the big-plan guy, he's the live-for-today-don't-care-about-anything guy. So I don't see him moving against the Lannisters or trying to avenge Tyrion or anything. So, ok, Tyrion amused him, but he wouldn't risk his hide to avenge someone he doesn't even know is still alive. Now, if Tyrion returns  in a superior position, Bronn might see it as profitable to join him.

[Mumatil]

Raksha the Demon, on 16 May 2012 - 01:03 AM, said:

My own theory is that Bronn will be the one to kill Tommen - he's ruthless enough; and his willingness to murder a child has already been shown in a Tyrion/Bronn conversation back in either AGOT or ACOK.

I can definately see that happening, I wonder what Tyrion will do, if GRRM goes that route.

Edited by Mumatil, 16 May 2012 - 01:20 PM.

[Grip]

Sooner or later Bronn is due for his comeuppance, whether he will live or die I really dont know. Lollys I hope will survive, she is by all definitions an innocent victim that has been treated badly for a long time. Bronn on the other hand..

[Lord Martin]

Where is Stokeworth in relations to King's Landing? I haven't been able to figure that out yet.  I always assumed it was a little ways south of KL.

If so, he's right in Aegon's way to KL.  And Bronn will do much and more to save his own neck.  He could be useful to Aegon for sure!

[Gingerly Grumkin]

Lord Martin, on 16 May 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

Where is Stokeworth in relations to King's Landing? I haven't been able to figure that out yet.  I always assumed it was a little ways south of KL.

If so, he's right in Aegon's way to KL.  And Bronn will do much and more to save his own neck.  He could be useful to Aegon for sure!

That's the whole issue, the Stokeworth lands are the suburbs of Kingslanding, and all they do is kiss royal ass, I mean take a look at there motto "Proud to be Faithful" lol! So Lord Bronn is the closest to Kingslanding, but it's not like he can seige the city. Then again the last time KL was taken over it was beause the gates were open.