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[Horus Bergeron]

Toronto FC just won the Voyageurs Cup again. And Vancouver was trying to win this thing.  0-9 Toronto FC.

[mormont]

On the Barton ban: I think this was honestly the very minimum the FA could have done. There's an element of spin going on in the reporting of this 'twelve-match ban', because that includes the automatic four-game suspension for the original red card. So in fact, Barton only got eight games for kicking Aguero and squaring up to Kompany after the red. That's not really enough for an unprovoked assault on another player, even if we ignore the Kompany thing. What Barton did was IMO worse than the Suarez racial abuse: it should have received a heavier penalty. I'd have been happier if he'd been banned for a year, or at least six months. In fact, as I've already said, I can't see any particularly good justification for this not being treated as a criminal assault, particularly given Barton's record on and off the pitch.

[baxus]

JamieM, on 23 May 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not? Longest ever PL ban, I believe, unless you count Cantona, but his was not measured in games.

he got off light, no sarcasm at all.
as mormont said, those 12 matches include 4 matches mandatory second red-card of the season ban so it's not really that heavy a punishment.

mørmjønt, on 24 May 2012 - 03:01 AM, said:

What Barton did was IMO worse than the Suarez racial abuse: it should have received a heavier penalty.

i agree that barton should have been punished more harshly, but i don't think his offense can be compared to suarez's.
those are completely different issues and the only thing they have in common is they both must not be tolerated (and were not tolerated).

[polishgenius]

Why are people constantly bringing up the 'attempted headbut' as if it wasn't clearly visible on the replays that Lescott was pushing his head into Kompany? I'm not defending Barton at all here and a 12 match ban is pretty reasonable for the unsavoury state of the whole incident and Barton's behaviour all round, but nothing he did was comparable to, say, Thatcher on Mendes or Morgan on Hume and the FA has majorly dropped the ball in not punishing Tevez, who lest we forget hit him first, or Lescott.

[ljkeane]

Stubby, on 23 May 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

In my opinion, if Barton had done what he did down here, then the kneeing of Aguero and the (attempted) headbutt of Kompany would result in convictions.  The initial elbowing incident might be arguable, but it was still 'behind the play' and clearly outside the rules of the game so it might result in a conviction.

I don't know, Duncan McRae beating the crap out of Ronan O'Gara on the last Lions tour to Australia and then getting a slap on the wrist comes to mind.

Edited by ljkeane, 24 May 2012 - 06:31 AM.

[Inigima]

Horus Bergeron, on 24 May 2012 - 12:13 AM, said:

Toronto FC just won the Voyageurs Cup again. And Vancouver was trying to win this thing.  0-9 Toronto FC.

This is like their fourth straight or something too.

[Stubby]

ljkeane, on 24 May 2012 - 06:31 AM, said:

I don't know, Duncan McRae beating the crap out of Ronan O'Gara on the last Lions tour to Australia and then getting a slap on the wrist comes to mind.

Yeah but that's rugby.

[baxus]

i've been irish for only a short while so i don't know much about rugby, but what fascinates me is how this mcrae guy just calmly stands there listening to the ref telling him exactly why he's being sent off and not making a scene after getting a red card. is that a regular thing in rugby?

EDIT:
need i point out that what he did was the lowest of the low, suckerpunching that other guy like that?

Edited by bad luck o' the irish, 24 May 2012 - 09:24 AM.

[ljkeane]

bad luck o, on 24 May 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

i've been irish for only a short while so i don't know much about rugby, but what fascinates me is how this mcrae guy just calmly stands there listening to the ref telling him exactly why he's being sent off and not making a scene after getting a red card. is that a regular thing in rugby?

Yeah that's pretty par for the course in rugby, more violence and more respect for the referees.

bad luck o, on 24 May 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

EDIT:
need i point out that what he did was the lowest of the low, suckerpunching that other guy like that?

To be fair Ronan O'Gara is apparently a bit of a cock and may possibly have slept with his wife but yeah that was a bit overboard. I'm not normally concerned about the odd punch in rugby but that wasn't really called for.

Edited by ljkeane, 24 May 2012 - 09:45 AM.

[Inigima]

Montreal Impact have signed Marco Di Vaio, a forward most recently with Bologna in Serie A, as their first-ever Designated Player.

http://www.impactmon...signated-player

[Horus Bergeron]

Inigimå, on 24 May 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

Montreal Impact have signed Marco Di Vaio, a forward most recently with Bologna in Serie A, as their first-ever Designated Player.

http://www.impactmon...signated-player

Just saw this.  I don't know how I feel about this.  On one hand, he's still good enough, but he's also 36 coming from a league that isn't nearly as physical as MLS is.

[Pope Nasrudin the Second]

Horus Bergeron, on 24 May 2012 - 12:13 AM, said:

Toronto FC just won the Voyageurs Cup again. And Vancouver was trying to win this thing. 0-9 Toronto FC.

Yup.  And they outplayed us in both games, too.  Good on them.  They closed us down quickly all over the field and played a very physical game last night.  Plata was a handful (half a handful?) on the left, Frings was bossing the middle of the park, and the centre backs bloodied Hassli early and then kept muscling him out of the play for the entire game.  It was kind of ugly, but very effective.

[Horus Bergeron]

Насреддін довго намотуєтьс, on 24 May 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

Yup.  And they outplayed us in both games, too.  Good on them.  They closed us down quickly all over the field and played a very physical game last night.  Plata was a handful (half a handful?) on the left, Frings was bossing the middle of the park, and the centre backs bloodied Hassli early and then kept muscling him out of the play for the entire game.  It was kind of ugly, but very effective.

Being Canadian, what do you think about whether or not Montagliani decides to expand the Cup to the D3 and lower divisions.  He seems to be the first CSA president that's open to it, granted that the clubs involved can afford to compete in the Champions League.

[lessthanluke]

He barely touched Aguero and there was nothing in the "headbutt" at all. No way should he have gotten more than 8 games.

[JamieM]

Stubby, on 23 May 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

Some food for thought.......

Great post - cheers

[JamieM]

polishgenius, on 23 May 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

Not sure why he'd be a replacement for Chamakh though; he'd be more of a Ramsey type, surely? Playing in the hole behind the striker/at the peak of the attacking diamond. I could see Spurs wanting him if VdV were to leave, though.

That's interesting, I had him down as an out and out forward who dropped deeper sometimes...

[AlexT]

LessThanLuke, on 24 May 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

He barely touched Aguero and there was nothing in the "headbutt" at all. No way should he have gotten more than 8 games.

Sure he should have. Initial red card got him 4 games ban due to previous offences, plus another two straight red card offences immediately following that = minimum of ten games. Added in to the mix the admission that he was trying to injure Aguero to take him out of the game and the amount he has brought the image of the game into disrepute. 12 games is fair.

Let's hope he tries to appeal and the FA tell him to do one and add more matches to his ban.

[lessthanluke]

AlexTimperley, on 24 May 2012 - 10:54 AM, said:

Sure he should have. Initial red card got him 4 games ban due to previous offences, plus another two straight red card offences immediately following that = minimum of ten games. Added in to the mix the admission that he was trying to injure Aguero to take him out of the game and the amount he has brought the image of the game into disrepute. 12 games is fair. Let's hope he tries to appeal and the FA tell him to do one and add more matches to his ban.

Have to agree to disagree wont we.

[JamieM]

AlexTimperley, on 24 May 2012 - 10:54 AM, said:

the admission that he was trying to injure Aguero to take him out of the game and the amount he has brought the image of the game into disrepute. 12 games is fair.

That's my main reason for thinking he was lucky to avoid a longer ban.

Edited by JamieM, 24 May 2012 - 10:57 AM.

[AlexT]

Indeed.

Not sure what, if any, exonerating circumstances there are to be honest. He attacked three players.