Budj, on 01 June 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:
I like your theory that Jon organizes a force to re-claim the North and as he starts to move south people are like "oh shit!" but first we have to find out of the others are the real threat or not.
I think "the dragon has to be awakened," and this is the event that does it, I believe.
He was already prepared to take off until Sam, and even Aemon got to him.
Lady Octarina, on 01 June 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:
(where's the like button?). This would be all too cool, but actually I doubt Jon will even have the time to get to "Aegon", though he might have the time to think about this "new brother". I mean, by the time Jon is recovered/brought back to life and news of YG's victories and claim to the throne arrive at the Wall, it is very likely YG will already have been exposed as a fake/killed. Not to mention the possibility that as soon as he's recovered from his Julius Caesar session, Jon might ride to the lands of always winter or something, and who knows when he'll be back? So, I think he might, eventually, meet Daenerys, but I really doubt the same is true about YG.
Like many have said before, I doubt all Starks were as honorable as dear Ned. Aerys was paranoid, okay, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have somehow figured out part of the truth.
btw, did you see this interview
with Sophie Turner? She agrees with us on R+L=J
The "like" button is gone- again.
I think events are going to have to be expedited at some point, I always thought that Jon would have a similar experience as Dany- perhaps his would-be murderers would attempt to burn his body, either to hide stab wounds, or to keep him from "turning," and when they did, he would emerge, A ONE-TIME EVENT, the same way Dany did.
It's like trying to get through a "traffic jam" to get these characters to converge,
so while that is my theory, we'll have to wait to see what Martin decides.
Are they openly speaking now of the theory?
SFDanny, on 01 June 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:
This is a fairly one-sided read of the story we have so far. It is quite possible that before Rhaegar and Lyanna run away that Rickard Stark is plotting the overthrow of the Targaryens through his many alliances with other great houses. It fits with what Aerys thinks is the case and it sure fits with the facts as we know them. So did the Starks have "every right" to plot against their lawful king? Did Aerys have a "right" to kill traitors to his rule? Unless one takes the side of the "good" Starks - because they are "good," one has to at least, I think, try to view the events from the other guy's point of view.
As to any future animosity between the remaining Starks (including Jon) and Daenerys, I think she has better targets for revenge (Jaime Lannister in the first case) than the Starks - if that is her guiding motive.
I should clarify I mean the Starks had a right to react to Lyannas disappearance, and then rebel once their heads were called for.
I see nothing to suggest prior to Lyanna going missing that Rickard had in mind to rebel against "the lawful King."
(I might also point out that the Starks were Kings at a time the Targaryens were a dubious House in Valaryia).
I agree that not all the Starks may have been honorable, (Brandon may be one), but from my read on Lady D's inferences about Rickards ambitions, I don't see that he'd want the Iron Throne.
Did he perhaps want more of a presence in the South as it seems the Starks mainly kept to themselves?
Or, did he want Northern Independence, going back to pre-Aegon the Conquerer borders?
I think that could be likely, and he'd still need support to do that.
BTW, I don't think it's wrong for him to want Independence for his people, but it doesn't mean he would interfere with Aerys and the rest of the six kingdoms.
But of course, the North was the size of all the Seven Kingdoms together, so perhaps there would be no Kingdom if the North left.
We also don't know what the rest of the Starks know about Lyannas disappearance, and Brandons ride into KL always read to me like panic.
And we still don't know for sure that Lyanna was willing.
She could be in love with Rhaegar, but still not willing to run off with a married man who already had heirs.
Edited by Alia of the knife, 02 June 2012 - 12:26 AM.