MyLifeIsNotSoPrecious, on 20 May 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:
And if they did, then what?
We have to guess.
Presumably, wait until Lyanna had recovered sufficiently to travel, or even risk it now that they know
their location is known (locational anonymity was their primary shield before) and travel into exile in Essos until the baby King is sufficiently matured to reclaim his birthright.
Its not fleeing if they are protecting their king. Maybe they would have hid somewhere else in Westeros, but I doubt it. Once they have been discovered protecting an isolated tower, one assumes with Lyanna, no effort will be spared to track them down thereafter. And with the war over, few if any lords are likely to risk hiding them. No, IMO a better bet is exile in Essos, secret pacts with Dorne and maybe others, and bide their time.
But those are only my guesses.
The point isn't 'what to do next', its 'what options are available to us now'.
Unfortunately the answer is "none but fight, if we are to honour our vows".
taipan, on 20 May 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:
@Apple, the point is why would they have feared execution if they bent the knee?
Its an irrelevant point. Fearing execution is neither here nor there. They swore a vow. These are the men most bound up in their honour in the whole system. Abandoning that vow just for personal safety makes a mockery of their whole lives and every way they define themselves. They are incapable
Note that Barristan bent the knee only after it was all over. He was badly wounded at the trident, captured in his incapacitated state, and bent the knee to Robert only after his recovery when the Targaryens had been already effectively totally destroyed and the war well and truly over. Note also that Barristan recalls that had Robert smiled at the dead Targaryen babes nothing on earth would have stopped Barristan attacking Robert. But it was all over, the Targaryens were finished. Its one thing to give your life defending a live baby king, another entirely to give your life for no purpose just because a bratty child still lives far away in exile.
Lady Hodor, on 20 May 2012 - 10:18 AM, said:
They probably didn't know Rhaegar was dead yet. And they had no reason to believe Ned's word on it, their enemy.
The conversation with Ned indicates they probably did know Rhaegar was dead. Robert couldn't have taken KL if Rhaegar yet lived, and I'm sure they have a better contact set up for news now than Rhaegar did when he was in hiding. News of the change of government would have gone out immediately to everywhere that a Raven could go, and dbe deliberately disseminated from those places as well. Dynasty overthrow as an event is quite a bit different from some minor squabbling between nobles and king.
MyLifeIsNotSoPrecious, on 20 May 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:
But none of this explains what the KG has to gain from killing Ned, the only high lord who might possibly help Jon, or what there plan for Jon might be.
They have no reason to believe Ned would help Jon.
And they don't have to have a plan for the future (yet, although they might do, who knows).
All that is necessary to know is that Ned is the enemy of the Targaryens, responsible (directly or indirectly) for killing royal babies. The KG aren;t in it for gain. They are simply protecting the King from his enemies.