[BOOK SPOILERS] Which 3 men did Jamie mean?
Posted 21 May 2012 - 01:28 AM
When the question is "Who do you personally think the most badass killers in ASOIAF are": = totally different answer.
Posted 21 May 2012 - 01:29 AM
Oh boy, even in the show Cersi establishes that the Martells HATE the Lannisters, it is a purely a strategic move to gain a valuable ally.
I'm saying I think in the show "Game of Thrones" the character of Oberyn Martell will be painted as a great fighter, it is purely speculation on my part but based on what HBO has done so far I think it's a fair assumption. And he may be in show Jamie's mind, He did emphasize "in all of Westeros" so that would lead me to believe he was including someone from a far off place (Dorne)
Edited by House Martell, 21 May 2012 - 01:35 AM.
Posted 21 May 2012 - 01:32 AM
Right. And the Clegane Brothers are both Lannister Bannerman. Jaime is pretty familiar with what Gregor is capabale of and there is no way he's not on the list.
Jaime is also familiar with Sandor's prowess. The Hound was Cersei's bodyguard before being Joffrey's. I would bet Jaime and Sandor have sparred before. And Jaime saw Sandor fight the Mountain at the Tourney. Sandor is one of the three.
Selmy is the living legend and Jaimes idol. He's the third.
I can't think of anything Loras has done in the show or anything Jaime has said that would be evidence that Jaime thinks highly of his skill. He's doubtlessly more familiar with the reputation of his own bannerman.
Loras isn't one of the three.
Posted 21 May 2012 - 01:37 AM
Gregor is a fierce giant;
Sandor is burned, scarred, angry, and large; and
If Oberyn manages to cut you even once you're dead.
Posted 21 May 2012 - 01:38 AM
2)Gregor Clegane- It seems everyone agrees
3)Sandor Clegane- Can't think of a third Jaime would know about.
Couldn't be Loras since Jaime doesn't start to respect him till AFFC.
Couldn't be modern barristan, he is too old to handle Jaime, maybe in his prime, but barristan always talks about how his skills are slowing, and Jaime would know and probably practiced with him.
Oberyn is not that respected as a fighter, people think he relies on poison and jaime despises combat without swords, hence his hatred of crossbows.
Posted 21 May 2012 - 01:41 AM
I think Oberyn Martell should be a "Hollywood star" cast. It's only 1 season, we want Joff and the mountain to die badly; but our hero will dye in brain crushing agony. There is no better part for a big Hollywood star to cast himself in an off-year in my opinion.
Game of thrones may yet be known as the series where your favorite actor always dies when you least expect or always dies. It matters not no me... I just want the Martells fairly represented.
Posted 21 May 2012 - 01:42 AM
Then why does Cercei have even a prayer after book 5?
Posted 21 May 2012 - 01:49 AM
Posted 21 May 2012 - 02:31 AM
2) Gregor "the Mountain" Clegane
3) Sandor "the Hound" Clegane
While Loras is a skilled swordsman, he's predominantly a tourney knight not a hardened killer like the three men I've listed. Not to mention that he ends up taking a hot bath on his first major assignment in this war.
Posted 21 May 2012 - 02:31 AM
- The Mountain
- The Hound
- Red Viper
Edited by Hyper, 21 May 2012 - 02:32 AM.
Posted 21 May 2012 - 03:19 AM
My guesses as well.
Posted 21 May 2012 - 03:47 AM
Posted 21 May 2012 - 04:17 AM
Loras almost got ended by Gregor(can't remember if he had a sword with him or not), and he's more of a tourney guy. Also he's admitted to not being the best swordsman in his family. I'm also not sure how much time Jaime has spent around him to know if he's a good swordsman or not.
When he made that comment I took it as him meaning in a one on one swordfight. Not something like Oberyn vs The Mountain where you could choose your weopen. Also I don't recall Oberyn being well known as a great fighter.
I think the 3 would be Hound,Mountain and Baristan.
Posted 21 May 2012 - 04:24 AM
Loras is good at swordfighting, but not incredible. He's better at jousting.
Oberyn is unknown as a fighter, at least at that time
And Barristan is not too old, he specifically says "Even now I could cut through the five of you like a piece of cake" to his fellow Kingsguards when he gets stripped of his rank. Some of it may be boasting(No one wins a fight against five serious swordsmen alone) but there must be some truth to it or he wouldn't say it.
Posted 21 May 2012 - 04:49 AM
We figured by the way he said it, the men he was talking about are still alive. And not anybody of which we might be thinking.
So I'd say, garlan tyrell, blackfish, areo hotah.
I'm not joking at all. Remember that Jaime has been part of the world of knights since he was 16. He knows more than we do, and the fighting prowess of these three always seems to be hinted at in a "if you really knew anything you'd know this guy kills shit for a living, but you don't"
Posted 21 May 2012 - 04:57 AM
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 07:07 AM
Posted 21 May 2012 - 07:17 AM
Barristan Selmy: He was Jamie's idol when he was younger wasn't he?
Oberyn Martell: He's got the reputation of 'The Red Viper' and he's been fighting from when he was young
Gregor Clegane: Cersie picked him to fight in Tryion's trial, not Sandor so it would seem he's a better fighter. He's the older brother as well, big brother always wins
Edited by Serr Parker, 21 May 2012 - 07:26 AM.